alright so i was at this house party the other day and my friend started talking to this girl. conversation went something like this

my friend-hey whered you get beer i thought the keg was kicked
girl- no its right over there

*i walk over and my friend introduces me to her, we greet eachother and exchange names

girl-my name is pickle
my friend-oh pickle okay, im french fries and this is my friend cheeseburger.

*my friend walks away shortly after to get beer

me-so why do they call you pickle
girl-why you creepin?

like what the fuckk, how come people cant ever have a conversation with someone who isnt their friend. the girl i was talking to wasnt even good looking. she was fat but her friend was an hb9. i was gonna game her friend soon after her. unbelievable how people are. im not even a bad looking guy to be honest. go to the gym 5 days a week and have been with a good amount of hb9's and 10's throughout my life. her comment totally killed my confidence to approach girls now. everytime i approach someone i am going to think they think im creeping on them.[/u]

Listen man, do not sweat that one bit!

Clearly a total bitch with no people skills. She definitely knew that your intention was to game her hot friend and not her so it was an inadequacy thing. She wanted to boost her self-esteem by being the one to reject you instead of risk being left alone after you choose her friend!

It's been said a million times but you gotta remember all girls are disposable! No matter how shitty one bitch makes you feel there are ten more in the room begging to be gamed!

You should have taken control of the situation by negging the bitch to the HB

I.e the old 'Is she always like this?' and then build rapport with the HB. This will piss the ubf off more so then eventually try to win them both over with a little game or something.

Just don't let someone else's insecurity ruin your confidence! No one is worth it!

1) "Is she always like this?" isn't a particularly good thing to say because it's acting reactive and defensive. You open up the possible retorts of "yes" and "no, only around fucktards like you" which both get you nowhere.

2) Better options are to ignore it, agree and make it a joke, or intentionally mishear it

Her: Why you creepin?
You: Hey is this your friend? Hi I'm ____

Her: Why you creepin?
You: You're right, I should just say what I really mean. Baby, ever since I set eyes on you, I've loved you completely and totally. I know we've been through a lot together, but let's give this a shot and see if we can't rescue our marriage. If not for me, then for the kids. What do you say? (Said in a mock-heartfelt manner, this will probably make her blush and feel a bit embarrassed, but her friend will probably be giggling and laughing, so then you can just start talking to her)

Her: Why you creepin?
You: I love it when you talk dirty to me. Seriously though, you can flirt with me later, there are other people around

These are off the top of my head, with my own style of humour and my delivery (always with a smile and having fun and being flirty). But the basic point is - control the frame, take it in your direction, and don't allow her to make you explain yourself to anyone. You're the one having fun, she's the one being weird and unfriendly, and you're not gonna let her get to you.

3) Whatever happens in ONE SET means almost NOTHING. If I went up to a guy and asked him for directions and he shouted at me, I would assume that he was in a shitty mood or was just a cunt. I wouldn't have one bad interaction and then go around assuming that EVERYONE I EVER MEET AGAIN will shout at me if I ask them a question politely. Don't let one bad interaction get to you.

4) If you go up to a woman you don't know and start talking to her about random shit in a bar or club, chances are she IS already assuming that you're trying to hit on her. Women aren't stupid. But that's ok. As long as you are having fun and being social, and your conversation is fun and interesting, there's no reason why she wouldn't want to hear it anyway.

Knowing this, I personally think it's better to simply be direct about why you are talking to a woman in the first place. I open directly because then I am acknowledging why I'm coming up to them openly and honestly. We can then either have a normal conversation and get to know each other (with the constant subtext that we both want to fuck each other at some point in the future), or she can tell me straight up that she isn't interested and I can move on.

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yeah im a newbie here but i was in a similar situation. my friend does an opinion opener to a 5. he walks over to her and this is what i hear

Her: are you serious? is that the best you can come up with? you seriously came over here to ask me that ? (all while laughing in his face and being loud at the bar drawing attention)

she goes on and on

so i finally go over there, and as she looks at me.

Her: OMG what are these guys multiplying? (huge bitch shield)
Me: its ok you dont gotta worry about me your not my type anyways. (i turn to her friend) shes mean is she always like this?

at that point i was so heated i didnt care if i pissed her off or not.but she behaved after that though.
yeah dont worry about it, some girrls are just so high on their pedestal that they should only be knocked off of it.

Not to mention that in any sufficiently large group of girls, one of them is structurally required to be the bitch. Say there's 6 gals at a table, you'll never manage to sweet talk all of them. One of them won't get attention and she'll feel obligated to "protect" her friends by trying to sabotage any attention you give someone else. At some point you just can't juggle all those girls and you just have to blow the bitch off.

Bullcrap.

Sometimes I'll open a larger set by directly going up to the one I like and telling her I think she's attractive. The rest of the group giggles and looks at me astonished, and if the girl is receptive I continue the conversation in front of them and they either shut up and watch, or do their own thing.

Same goes with a 2-set. If you address some of your conversation to the friend so she's not completely left out, she will stay and let you chat up her friend. Why? Because you are being insanely confident, attractive, honest and charming. The friend(s) may be jealous it's not them you're hitting on, but they're not gonna sabotage their friend's chances with an amazing guy, especially when she stays and is clearly eager to keep talking to you.

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You say she is very average looking and I think that answers everything.

Overall, I think ugly or average looking girls are more likely to be bitchy, surly and unfriendly partly because of poor self-esteem issues. They are not used to guys hitting on them, feel inadequate and that leads to a vicious circle of being more often miserable and surly and in general need really of CBT sessions!

9 times out of 10, the true HBs are more likely to be friendly and approachable because they are brimming with confidence and good looks and have had many a self-esteem boost in their lifetimes such as being complimented and all. Of course there will be a few bitches but there was a brilliant Yad Daygame video where he explained that the hotter a woman is, the more likely she is going to be friendly.

Hmm I wonder if I just had the bad luck of tables containing 1 average looking true bitch. I thought the sabotaging was a social dynamic.