Hi all,

Firstly, this is my first Post here, so a big hello to everyone, the forum looks like it has some great advice and tips

I've been out twice in the last two weeks in Bars, and been using some openers.

Last night in particular with several ladies I approached I am experiencing some difficulties.

I approach the lady, smiling and usually sticking to the 3-second rule (otherwise i find it difficult to approach anxiety etc). Anyways, I run my opener which is fine (opinion-based opener) and usually get here to respond, without her feeling threatened or so forth.

Once running the opener I try to transition, ask if she’s from the area so fourth, ask how she met her friends etc. But the problem I am experiencing is as follows.

1. Some girls, (usually the very attractive girls) once giving their opinion on the opener, I find it very difficult to transition and continue the conversation - you can tell from their body language that they do not seem interested to continue the conversation.

2. Or, last night in particular on many occasions, I can transition..and half way through building conversation the girl 'loses' interest and says she needs to get back to her friends - even though I used the false-time constraint.

3. Even though it seems rather doom & gloom for me at the mo I have used the above a few times two-weeks back and managed to be successful and getting some phone numbers - even though nothing great materialised from the telephone number.

I appreciate this is a long post, but any advice or comments would be greatly appreciated. Look forward to hearing from you guys

hey

as i can read u focus more on the confort building.

courtship though starts with building attraction first.

so in ur case, especially in bars and clubs with hot babes,
u have to demonstrate higher value first

u can accomplish that by disqualifying yourself right at the
beginning, by negging the target, and by focus on the obstacles
more than on the target, in the beginning

watch for IOIs and escalate

best is if you physically lead, take her by the hand and say follow me
and go to another place in the club

my thought is, that u need more practice, and that first results will show
after 1 month of training

also try beeing cocky and funny in bars and nightclubs,
attractive women really dig that stuff

greets nightfall

Hi mate,

Firstly, thank you for your reply - Much appreciated.

I had some questions regarding your suggestions.

1. In relation to building higher value, for instance if I go up to a three or four set girl group, relatively good looking let's say their attraction range is between 7-9 respectively between the group. Usually they are dancing between themselves every ten minutes getting guys coming up to them trying to initiate conversation. There’s one girl I like in the group, I try to neg the target - By doing this, isn't there a good chance in my experience that out of the four in the group, two move away and that therefore leaves me talking to the obstacle on my own - which is Not good as I do not want to come across as hitting on her, or showing her that I've singled her out, which might mean she walks away to try and find her friends – i.e. cutting the conversation quickly.

So my main question is if a few members of the group start to distance themselves what’s the best way to make them stay together as a group as they were prior so I can neg and continue to work on the obstacle- and thus showing higher value
Look forward to hearing everyone’s suggestions, which of-course are greatly appreciated !

Focus on the girls who seems to drift away to keep everyone happy.