Hi all,

I'm planning to do some direct day game soon. I have a little question about approach invitations(AI). So basically I want to increase my success to approach HB's who are sending me IOI's (AI). I recognize these very well (night game experience) and I get them often (pretty good looking).

But sometimes the HB tries to hide her interest in you and acts completely cold. You know she is into you, but either isn't confident enough to look you in the eyes or her ego is too big to show interest in you. I dunno what it is exactly, but I know it exists. You can just feel she is attracted to you but hides it way too obvious.

Example: I was walking to my gym where I work out regularly and I see this HB from a distance walking towards me. From that distance I could see she was checking me out, followed by some hair tossing(IOI). BUT, as soon as our distance decreased and we were about to pass each other, she turned cold: not trying to look at me, cold facial expression, head held high and looking straight ahead. I could tell by her BL she was nervous though. She was carrying a bag and she let it swing around too hard while walking, it scraped the ground.

The question is: is a different way of approaching advised with these kind of HB's? Or isn't it any different then approaching a HB who's giving you standard obvious IOI's. I like going direct. But I feel like violating her comfort zone when going in direct on the HB's who are hiding their attraction towards you, I hope not though.

I know I have to experiment with this myself. But maybe you guys already have some experience with these kind of AI's, and how to deal with it.

Thanks,
mister boss

Hey all! Too bad no one could give me some advice on my previous question. But nevermind, this is something I have to find out myself, since it probably doesn't happen to everyone.

Anyways, this is my script for direct cold approaches during the day. Let me know what you think of it!

mister boss: "Hey! I just saw you walking by and I know this is a little direct, but I think you are very... cute. So I had to stop you and say hello." (*introduce myself)
HB: "blabla"
mister boss: "I bet this happens quite a lot to you, doesn't it. Random guys coming up to you saying you're hot. No? Hmm, I can very well imagine you giving winks and stuff to all the hot guys passing by."
HB: "Hahah, blabla"
mister boss: "Anyways, what are you doing today, besides picking up hot guys"
HB: "blabla"
mister boss: "Okay cool, I'm just going to the blabla. In fact, I have to get going already, a little busy right now. Anyways, you seem interesting I think. Give me your number so we can hangout sometime, if I have the time for it." (*hand her over my phone, #-close)

*Eject

That's basically it. Just a few minutes of interaction, I'll work the HB by text later on (for comfort, rapport etc.). Feedback greatly appreciated!

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it sounds a lot like you are trying to be cool drop all the insincere crap out of there and remove some of the brown nosing.
I can't be assed to re-write if but yar compliment her less, make the language less awkward, be sincere and take out anything that you thought I best put this is ("if I got the time").

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Thanks for the pointer Jaybot. I'll delete the entire line about "winks", making the conversation even shorter lol.

Something like this

mister boss: "Hey! I just saw you walking by and I know this is a little direct, but I think you are very... cute. So I had to stop you and say hello." (*introduce myself)
HB: "blabla"
mister boss: "So what are you doing today, besides picking up hot guys"
HB: "blabla"
mister boss: "Okay cool, I'm just going to the blabla. In fact, I have to get going already, a little busy right now. Anyways, it was nice meeting you. Give me your number so we can hangout sometime." (*hand her over my phone, #-close)

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Keep flying until, you are the king of the hill.
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By the time you say 'I know this is a little direct' she KNOWS you are going to say you think she is cute. Either go c&f and go like 'but I think you are looking very.... disctracted, what's on your mind?' or remove the 'little direct' part.

Hey! I just saw you and would be kicking myself If I din't stop and say hi. You are *insert genuine compliment*. (keyword here is genuine)

I wouldn't be so worried about it being short either, if you interact for a small amount of time it is likely there will be little attraction and the number will be flakey, I would chat for a bit then ask if she wants to grab a coffee and go on an instant date

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Hey man, can you help me (and others) out with the list of these! At least 5-7 of them would be greatly appreciated.
Personally I recognize only 3 most common:
fixing hair at "the moment"
eye contact and looking down
fixing her body, clothes

Please can you list some more of these
especially those which can be noticed in public places (at the street, in the store, just passing by etc ect)

iois-the-complete-list-vt12025.html

this collection is a great find...

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I saw that thread, good list.
However I am very interested to hear most common personal signals the OP is talking about (since my situation realtes to his very very much)
Thanks

Hi, happy to help!

The 3 IOI's you mentioned above are indeed the most common out there. Some additional IOI's I experience BEFORE approaching are:

1. The interested female stops her entire group of friends near you. She will do this with a silly reason(excuse), like making plans where to go next (this happens a lot at outdoor festivals or big venues).
2. If she is by herself, the interested female tries to get your attention by making unnecessary noises/sounds, like tapping her nails on the table or re-seating herself when on a noisy chair.
3. If she is with friends, the interested female tries to get your attention by laughing or saying out loud irrelevant or even ridiculous statements to her friends, hoping you will overhear her or comment on it.
4. If she is with her friends and if the woman in particular is very bold (or drunk), she may even make direct statements towards you, like commenting on the way you dress/look.
5. The interested female stands/sits near you with no obvious reason. A great way to check if she is interested is by moving away after she stands near you and see if she tries to get near again. (this happens a lot at supermarkets, train/subway stations etc.)
6. When the interested female is already near, like sitting next to you in college, she may go for the "accidental" touch.
7. The interested female positions herself in a way so you can easily spot her and is directly in your line of sight. (this happens a lot in crowded places where people are standing still).
8. The interested female mirrors your body language, like crossing her arms when you do.*
9. The interested female tries to get your attention by acting clueless, hoping you will help her.
10. The interested female laughs when you're saying something "funny" to others. (this happens a lot in your social circle)
11. After initial EC is established, the interested female will do a very sneaky side glance to check if you're (still) looking at her.*

*ad. 8: This one is really powerful. If you're standing in line for example, she will stand the way you are standing (can be done very subtle like placing a foot in front of you). Now change to another position like putting your arms into your side and check if she mirrors again.
*ad. 11: Women are incredibly skilled in hiding their side glance. It can be like she is trying to fix her earring and "needs" to turn her head a little to the side for it so she can spot you in the corner of her eye. You need to be very alert to notice these side glances. (she will never turn her body/face a full 180 degrees when looking back at you).

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Just field tested and noticed some of these. I was not aware of them before so this only post helped me more than 50 random posts. Thanks!

Spot on. One minute number closes are a waste of time. They are poor quality. In my opinion there is NO point going for the number unless you have DHV'd in some way or another and actually created SOME attraction.

If she has to be somewhere else (and so do you)...DHV from the word go and cut the fluff. At least leave her with something bizarre that she will remember, something she will tell her friends about.

After lots of excuses I finally decided it was time to take action!

I went out already today with the intention to approach. I didn't spot any good HB's though. So tomorrow I'll be heading to the big city streets which are (hopefully) chock-full of HB10's wandering around.

I also set up a punishment if I won't do any approaches in order to keep me motivated.

P.S. I feel nervous, anxious and exciting already. My MP3-player with Michael Jackson will hopefully guide me through upcoming hell.

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Don't let no one get you down. Keep moving on higher ground.
Keep flying until, you are the king of the hill.
No force of a nature can break, your will to self-motivate.
She says this face that you see, is destined for history.