The girl is pure HB10, she is 30 years also, and I'm 20. But I had some successes with much older HB's in my past, and I have no lack of experience... But the problem is how to arrange a date. In live I will game her, I have some good inner game for milfs, and strong frames.

So, if anyone knows how to open her and what conversation type or lines should I use to lead that writing to a date. She's friend of a friend of mine, and they were hanging out at the seaside this year. My friend is 19, so I presume that hanging out with younger guys is not strange to her. It could also be useful to mention that she is a teacher for young children. I'm open for any suggestions... Thanks

I do not have experience with that particular situation, but if it were me, here is how I'd approach it. At any given time, a woman is in one or more emotional states. For example, she might be interested and intimidated.

1. Which emotional states are LEAST likely to make her interested in you? In a 30-20 situation I can think of:

* Ashamed that people will think she is a cougar (ACD--anti-cougar defense)
* Bored because of your lack of maturity relative to her peer group

2. Which emotional states are MOST likely to make her interested in you?

* Flattered by the attentions of a younger guy
* Sexually attracted because you're body hasn't begun the middle-age slide yet

I'd structure my game to prevent the bad states and increase the good states. In other words, make her feel you have the maturity of her peers, but the hotness of a younger guy. I might offhandedly drop in the following remarks, being careful not to let her think I'm intentionally gaming her:

- Most women my age are so immature, so I never date them. I dated a 35-year-old woman for a few months. Man, her friends hit on me constantly, and meeting their husbands and boyfriends I began to understand why. Many men just get to a certain age and just stop caring. It's like they go to sleep.

- I had to grow up fast. Sometimes I can't believe how much I've been through in the last few years.

- I've gotten really interested in [some mature topic--financial crisis]. I read three books on it one week. [Better be able to back this up.]

- I have this one friend who thinks a woman is never more attractive than she is at 19. Bullshit! He's been brainwashed by ads. Women get so much more attractive as they move into their 30s. [BTW, don't make the mistake of telling her she's in her 30s. Make her think you thought she was 5 years younger.]

- Physically, my body is at its peak right now. I'm really pushing it during my workouts.

- I am completely loyal to my friends, but for some of them, I wonder when they're going to grow up. I wonder that about my uncles sometimes.

- I always think long-term. I spent a lot of time thinking about my life goals, and I've got a plan. How do people get through life without a plan?

Anyway, that's what I'd try. Good luck with it.

Great post man, really love it... I can see that you understand how to game older HB's. I will definitely use some of these lines and develop my mindset even further...

I look through this online sarging section and found one interesting opener, and I've sent, this message:
I quickly overviewed your profile, I have to tell you that I have already married and divorced you in my mind.

Thanks for all the wonderful imaginary memories... you will always have a special place in my heart.

your ex-husband,
GeneralS

ps. You can keep the house in Hawaii but, I am going to need half our money according to our prenup.


And I got this reply:
Oh, you are such a joker
How many of these do you send a day?


I know that the opener is a bit immature, but I was playing to that card so I can recover from that with some witty line about her kids in her class. But how to deal with this shit test?

I'm a newbie here, and just learning the game, so I'd love to hear what the pros have to say. I'll say how it looks to me. You went funny-direct rather than indirect. I would have gone much, much more indirect.

Pros:

1. The letter was funny--it made me smile. I'm sure it made her smile, too. You gave her a positive state.
2. Her response was a mild IOI. Congrats! If you were completely uninteresting to her, she wouldn't have bothered to reply; if you creeped her out, she wouldn't reply. If you totally bored her, she wouldn't reply.

Cons:

1. Because she knows you are sexually interested in her, she is on the defensive. "This guy wants something. What's this guy want out of me?"
2. The "How many of these do you send a day?" shows her doubts about your authenticity. "This guy is a player. He sends 1000 emails and hope one hits."

Where do you go now? I'd remove her negative feelings and increase her positive ones. Maybe:

"Oh no way, I'd never send some form email to a bunch of women. LOL! What am I, the Facebook version of a Nigerian email scammer? Who hits on women in a mass mailing? I want to meet that guy. I'm all about joking around, having fun. You seemed fun so I threw out a dorky email for a laugh. I don't need anything."

Then DHV. Tell her about the weird thing you saw that made you laugh. I'm working on a story where I walk up to a nightclub and see two clowns in full Ronald McDonald dress standing on the sidewalk smoking cigars. "What was it--a clown bar? What the hell were they doing there?" Wrote about ANYTHING fun and funny, but say nothing more about her. Write just because it's fun to write--you don't care whether she likes it or not. You don't care whether she responds, or whether she even reads the email. That's how I see Lovedrop's teaching: you give her the gift of a positive vibe while expecting nothing in return.

That's how I'd play it.

For the shit test i would do what u do to any AMOG. just laugh and agree.
then i would hit her with the "you should stop" line and continue to flirt from there. hope u get her!

you:
haha. oh thousands of course.
you should stop though, you know?

her:
stop what??

you:
thinking about me and smiling. i can tell your doing it right now.

I've just wrote reply and sent it and then I saw your advices... Here's how the conversation developed:

Me: Daily by working day or weekend? Nah, seems like people are loosing their sense of humor by years past . (note that we write in our mother-tongue language, and it's Serbian)

Her: (written in english) by day, working day, weekend, whatever ). (continues in Serbian) Seems I've lost it, come on, sell me some of yours, like 300g (don't know how much pounds, but it's one third of a kilo). You have full shelves of it ))

Me: (in English) So... You speak English... Nice, but that ain't gonna bring your sense of humor back...
(in Serbian) My shelves are full of gramophone records, books, and some other stuff... 300g? Wow, you seem like pretty straight forward person considering you want that much from me, and we just met... )
(in Spanish) p.s. No vamos a competir con el conocimiento de lenguas extranjeras, (in French) parce que je suis gent et ne permettra pas une femme à perdre... (meaning I don't want to compete with you with knowledge of foreign languages, because I'm gent and won't allow a lady to loose)

Her: This is free land, I can demand how much I want, 300g is so small amount, I can see that you produce that every day )) You have records?! Would you like to have music cassettes too? I have 400, I can give you for free, cause I don't know what to do with them, and it's pity to throw them in trash. Or we should make a compensation - cassettes for humor?! Hey, multilingual, I don't understand the third paragraph, I understand just a few words, but the whole message, nooo!
Bye-bye


So, I agree with you about what she's thinking, but the damage is done, so let's try to solve this one out. You can see that she gives me shit test, after shit test... I have difficulty to understand if she's writing sarcastic all the time, or she is really hooked. So I was writing, let's call it - multipractic messages that could fit in both cases. I put some DHV's, trying to be C&F, but this bye-bye confuses me a lot... I think that's another shit test, but if she was writing sarcastic all the time, it could mean like I'm bored, bye...

I won't reply anything to her last messages until I hear your advices... Cause I like them very much, but my patience is my weaker side... Especially now, cause I hurt my leg, and have nothing to do all day...

I couldn't really follow all the messages. It's clear that she is into you, though!

great, one part of the problem solved... . Can I help you with some parts of the messages that you don't understand?

Again my patience betrayed me

Me: Think how would it be like if all people that I see in a day demand 300g of my humour... Just today at our performance I've met about 10 new people. That would be 3 kilos . Again, not all of them offer me 400 cassettes in return... But if cassettes are with some folk songs or songs for children, it wouldn't help you if you even have a million of them, so it depends . And the last paragraph means that I don't want to compete with knowledge of foreign languages cause I'm gent and wouldn't allow a lady to loose

Her: Well, gent, don't argue with ladies than for no reason, that kind of attitude is not wanted : ))))). And cassettes are punk, rock and something like that, but they will be heavy for you, or you'll find something else that's bad

Me: Hahahahahaha, I said that I'm gent, not that I have no brain and that I allow women to control my mind . Wooow, there comes some positive stuff. I thought that teachers now are not as they used to be, but this is a plus for you. If you manage to carry them all, I will too, I'm pushing it really hard in my trainings recently . I presume you play an accordion?


Now, I'm waiting for reply... I waited a day to reply, and she answered in 10mins... But she went to sleep now obviously, she has to go to work tomorrow . Now I should n-close somehow, or arrange a meeting...