Hello, I am not very handsome, and I don't get much matches or responses when I try to date online. With my pics(which a girl has helped me choose) I get like 7-9 matches in a city with 200 000 population. I recently tried to use a picture where I sit with my guitar, caps on, and glasses off while sitting in a position where my jawline is exaggerated, and they can't see it's asymetrical.

The result? - 60 matches instead of 7-9. (Same population size) And suddenly they think my profile text is very funny. EVERY girl i text responds(so far. I picked like the 10 prettiest to test), and I get numbers from around 70%. The problem is then; If I meet up with them without showing them more pics they might not even recognize me if they don't look closely. And when they do.. well they will be dissapointed by my looks(I think) and maybe feel deceived.And end up worse than if they knew from the start What I need to decide is what to do. Do I get them super interested, send them a new pic and then hope for the best? Do I just date the 8 women in my city that wants to date me off online with my normal pics?

If I pick the last alternative(truthfull pics): These women are rarely very pretty. It's a game of chance if I get any at all. When I contact them, it's mostly the girls with worse pics than me that's responsive. I get them, no problem, but the prettier girls rarely pay enough attention to realize they should date me.

If I pick the false advertisement option: What I've been doing is, get them very excited about me by making them invest alot. The whole conversation is me testing if they're good enough. And it's very obvious, and they love it. I then get their number, and I even got one (of the 10 test subjects) to ask if I had sent a message yet, if she didn't receive it, and if she could have my number so she can text me instead. (I'd say she's like an 7-8). She haven't responded yet after I sent her the "oh there's a couple of things you need to know message". Other girls of similar beauty answered after and seems to still be interested in meeting. One girl said she would never unmatch me because she's not that superficial, yet after I sent her my pic.. no answer

the "oh there's a couple of things you need to know message": When I've been testing this I've done it in different countries so I say two things: #1 I've already got a date planned with another girl, so whether I text this girl depends on how the other girl does in on the date (social proof + she won't bother me about not texting her(I can't)) and #2 I've been reacting on lenses/My eyes get too dry, so I'm using glasses now, I know you didn't match with glasses me so you can still withdraw. (I had to say this to find out if it would work or not. It kinda feels less needy aswell, and she would just stop responding anyway if she didnt' like it enough)

I say it's the glasses that's the difference, but I really look less handsome and more realistic as well. As I said earlier, it's been kind of working, but the problem is I can't know for sure anymore if they'd date me or not. Also, I suddenly lose all my power(except gain a little from me chosing to contact her or not because "I already have a date") because it takes too long to write, and I sound kinda insecure(Like why didnt I post the pic already?).

What do I do? Any way to improve my strategy? The false advertisement way might give me more dates in total, I give them the chance to realize they should meet me, my personality is more congruent with the false advertisement look(I get away with more, and they accept my frame), and girls FINALLY SAY GOODNIGHT with smiley faces. Before they just used to stop respond unless I had talked with them for A LONG time first. BUT. It's kinda deceitful, I've worn glasses as long as I remember, and girls that would've liked me anyway might lose some respect this way. And girls that's been mirin me, at university for instance might wonder -"wtf is he doing, he don't look like that. Is it him? I think so. DId you match with him. Hey 'friend in common' is this that guy?"

F.A.Q
Q:can't I just not wear glasses? A:No. Besides glasses is more of an excuse to send new pic where I look like two points worse
Q: Get better pics? A:I've tried for two years. No.
Q: meet women in real life, night game? A: No it don't fit my personality or lifestyle
Q: Day game? A: No, I would approach in certain special cases. But not like PUA stuff, too small town to do full scale when studying . Word travel fast

Regardless of how you present yourself, they're going to see the real you when you meet up with them, so the type of photo you use is sort of irrelevant.

I'd likely use my real photos.

Meeting people in real life instead of using online dating is a solution for this problem, and something I hope you're doing anyway. Online dating is a bit of a crutch and you should use it to supplement your real-life game. it really doesn't help you improve much beyond your texting banter and may be good for a hookup here and there.

Yeah I get your point but I believe girls have higher standards online than in real life, so while I might have a chance on the girl real life, she'd never swipe me right online because she has so many options and she never get the chance to see my other traits than my face. (Personality, and even my BODY. I get way more matches with a faceless pic of my body than I get with normal pics. But I won't post a shirtless pic on normal profile). Anyway, when she meets me from online, in real life, it's way more likely that I can she'll be interested in giving it a try as she's already invested. AS LONG AS she don't feel deceived which is what I'm trying to avoid.

Get better looking and use real pics.

Like, if you have some sort of overbite face problem or some disability then I can imagine it's hard for you.

Send me your pic and I will see if you're as ugly as you say you are. Often I find over weight fat faced people that moan about being ugly and i am like: 'Getting into shape bro, you're over weight and dress and look like a hobo'

Beards these days can do wonders too.

I challenge you to share/or pm me your pic. I am willing to bet you don't have your fundamentals together.

Every single year I have got better looking, it really is something to be pro active with. If you look the same as last year then you're just not putting in the effort. My start and current look is quite a transformation.

2008:
- Under weight and out of shape
- Junk food and fizzy drinks
- Acne
- Dressed really bland
- Clean shaven
- My hair was decent

2015:
- I have some meat on me and in shape
- been eating clean and drinking water so therefore my skin looks and feels good
- Nice stubble consistency
- I now dress really classy with tailored clothes
- Balding, probably due to growing up on a shit diet but I have made the skin head work for me

The result is... I get so many dates that I flake most of them. Like... really.

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I sent you pics

I would grow beard, but I can't grow a good one yet. (22 years). I don't have acne on face, but I'm taking antibiotica to get it away from the rest of my body. I can't afford tailored clothes, I'm a student. I don't have much fashion sense, but I try to dress ok. I've gone from being the tiniest weakest person there is, to rarely seeing anyone lift more at the gym. But no where near scary big. Waist to hip ratio is 0.7. Trying to get 0.69. I'm 15kg heavier than I used to be. BF% about 15. And I use clean face thing on my face + cream. I'm eating 3 carrots every day to give the skin some glow but avoid turning orange

I've checked out your pics, I will reply here instead of PM

You're much better than I was expecting. A few reasons i think is your problem:

- Your inner game. You really are not that bad and you could potentially do pretty well if you follow my advice. I think you are too hard on yourself and talking like this about yourself. It has no benefit to you for getting laid.

- As I expected, you dress bad and don't make any effort with the pics.

You kind of remind me of Ryan Phillipee, he has kinda of a nerd look about him but with just a few adjustments, like getting contacts/laser eye surgery and dressing much sharper.




As you can see, pretty transformational. You can can so obtain this.

There is no reason you can not ditch your nerdy look within a weekend of throwing clothes away and get some money and give yourself a makeover. Don't use being a student as an excuse for having no money. Get a job, earn money online, it's Christmas soon, I am sure your family/friends will be asking you what you want. NO EXCUSES. If you want pussy, you need to spend money on yourself, simple as that. Tailored clothes are every girl' weakness. It's black Friday today as it happens. Girls want to fuck nicely dressed guys. Why spend money on bad clothes? My jeans and shirt costs about £10 each to get it tailored.

There are too many threads with too many excuses. If you reply to this post with some defeatist reply then I will be going caps lock on yo ass. I am sick of them.

You really are not in a bad position, I am pretty sure I was worse off than you. It's not like you're over weight, you just get away from the nerd look, you can do that with a few little tweaks

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I really don't get your logic. Why don't you be more like the guitar pic and immerse into that? The other pic you're just full on nerd.

Be in between guitar pic and Ryan Phillipee

I expect by 2016 for you to send me pics of your new transformation. No excuse.

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Thank you, I really appreciate your input

I won't lie, my inner game is not 100%, but it's not affecting how many girls I match with. And I never said ugly, I said -not very handsome. The thing is, I did make an effort to take those pics. THe guitar pic.. I set the camera to 2 pics every second, and then had several sessions of 200 pics to make sure my jawline and posture was just right. The selfie, it's the best one of many many I took . I've been trying to take other more exciting pics, but the feedback I've been getting is "you look uncomfortable/you look like you're posing/you look too smug"

THe clothes, what you're seeing is already sort of a transformation from way worse earlier. What I'm currently struggling with is finding good clothes, I don't have much fashion sense so I've been asking my sister and sometimes ask in the store. But I'm open to suggestions. I also google and look at the models in store, but often I don't find the clothes suit(color/type) as well to me as to them. I'm a student so it shouldn't be TOO expensive looking and TOO classy. Also, should I get a watch?

I've no way to get that cheap tailored clothes. The best pants I have(only not bought in a cheap store) costs 150 dollars, and this price is nothing special. Tailors,, I googled for them but didn't find much except for shirts and suits. And that seems to cost several hundred dollars.
And another thing. I workout so I eat alot and add weight, I'm gonna get close to 80 kg before I go down again, closer to 70kg after christmas. How does that work with tailoring?

I've been thinking of getting lenses but what's stopping me currently is, it's kinda true what I told them. I've got problem with my eyes, sometimes I even have trouble holding them open. Doctor, eye doctor.. No one has a solution

Christ man

I took a lot of time to reply to you and you systematically turned every solution into some sort of limiting belief 'I can't because of this, but this, but that and can't because of that'

I can't really help people that don't even want to help themselves. I have seen guys in wheel chairs have better attitudes than you.
Yup. 0% - You might wanna give up getting laid.

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1. These are real things I need to get past. Your reply was telling the guy that needs wheelchair that he must get around by himself to be able do X. My response was, but I can't walk. Then your response can be where to get a wheelchair. Or no response and let me figure out the last part myself. Not bashing out like that for not knowing how to walk and calling it a limiting belief. Christ man.
2. I'm getting laid. I was virgin until this fall. This fall I've been sleeping with several women, so it's a huge step up for me.