The #1 biggest mistake online gamers make is that they try to "game" women with their messages. The messaging system should only be used to screen women in or out. By the time a woman has seen your profile pics, opening message, and your profile itself, she already knows if she wants to meet up with you and that is why it is a waste of time to try and "game" women using the messaging system.

Most women online are "never meeters" meaning that they are really just there for attention and validation. If you message a never meeter she will have no problem messaging you back and fourth and even flirting with you but she will not meet up with you. Again, by the time shes seen your pics, opener, and profile she already knows if shes wants to meet you. As such, I almost always suggest a meet and/or go for the number in under 5 sent messages. I don't waste time trying to game her, I simply see if she wants to meet or not.

Here are a few examples:



If a chick ever messages you first, go for her number straight away.

Example 2:




Notice how I asked for her number on my third sent message. Wasted no time.

Example 3:



I edited out my opener on this one but again notice how I asked for her number on my third sent message. Again I wasted no time.

Example 4:



Here I went for her number on my second sent message.

Example 5:




This one took a few more messages than usual but once again, no real "game" being used, just seeing if shes down to meet or not.

My profile, opener, and pics do all the "game" for me.

If you ever go for a number and a chick says "I want to get to know you better first" just delete her messages and move on. 90% of the time a woman who says that is a never meeter and just wants validation from you.

I have fucked over 50 women from online and I never use "game" on any of them through the messaging system. When I go online I do what I call a "blitz" which is where I message 20 - 30 women all with the same opener. Only takes a few minutes to do that. I search for women "last online" and anytime I see ones whos cute I open her profile up in a different tab. Once I have 20 - 30 I paste my opener to all of them and then close the site. The following few days I open up the site and respond to any chicks who messaged me back. I send them around 3 - 5 messages and get their number.

Its simple and very time efficient.

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This is very interesting...

Could you give us a couple of examples of the messages you copy & paste to these 20 or 30 women?

Spot on. Message for the number/logistics only. I actually advise even less sent messages .. 2-3 to get the number and arrange a date.

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I'd have to agree. It's definitely possible to set up dates on dating websites without getting the chick's number, but it's a lot easier to get her name and number and then arrange the date. 2-3 is kind of cutting it low, but you should be asking about going on a date by 3-4. Otherwise, you aren't really "gaming" - you are forming an attachment. It's the sort of thing that will keep a chick from kissing you on a first date.

I'd have to disagree that most women are on online dating websites for validation. Even for the ones who are, you can get them a date with if your game is tight. I will state, though, that if you recognize that a girl is there for validation, she's probably not worth taking on a date.

Sorry but no. Everytime I post openers here they go viral and get stolen and waaaaay over used. I'll say this, your opener is way less important than your profile pics and profile. Worry about those two things first.

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This. As I mentioned to you (stringfellow) on PM... An opener is more about not screwing up and showing you read their profile, what does the attraction is your profile.

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Duly noted!

Cheers guys!

This is golden, GOLDEN

Thank you.

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