I've been off the forums a lot to spend more time in the field working on dating. Because of my situation, moving to a new town for work and working for myself I've really been relying on online game. I've gotten fairly ok at creating a good profile and texting to secure a first date.

Until now, my dating success has been hit or miss. Had the occasional one nighter, met one cool gal I dated for a few months. Lately I've really been trying to be able to nail those first dates. And the attention has paid off for the most part. My opportunities for a second have dramatically shot up.

My model is not a canned routine, really. But just to give others in the forums an idea of what I've had some success with.


To start I've come to the conclusion there are two types of first dates. I'll discuss each in detail, along with some of the expenses involved in each.


The Budget Date:
The first dating model I developed is a budget date. Simple effective and it takes time to learn, but works. From texting conversations one can gauge a women's interest and how attractive a lady is. The less she flirts with you and the less you find her attractive, the less chance there will be of any chemistry.

So, we don't wanna break the bank on this one. I found a really good coffee shop inside a local Barnes and Noble book store. They serve Starbucks and have free WiFi for Internet browsing.

The first thing I did was scope the place out. I went in about twice a week and got a latte and tip the server good. It looks DHV when you walk in with a lady and the server is either kinda flirty with you, or may be male and says, Hey! how's it been going?" Even if they don't like you... If you're a common customer and tip, they'll be flirty and friendly. Big social status point right off the bat!

Second, I walked around the store, and looked at some books ranging from history, investments, The Life of Ghandi, Steve Jobs Auto Biography, and many others. Got some audio books and listened to each making notes on some of the potential conversation starting topics.

When it's time for a date, here's how I run my game. The night before, I look at her profile and facebook again, and even quickly browse over our texting conversations.. I'll make a list, on my phone, of as many personal topics and questions I can ask in case the conversation goes flat. On first dates, unless you've really got something else going on, a long uncomfortable pause in conversation can be deadly!

Don't worry about memorizing these questions. I sometimes just look at my phone, acting like I just got an email, or say I need to use the restroom to look at the cheat sheet.

When I arrive, I always get there at least 15 minutes early to get a good seat! Seats near a window are best. You can casually look out, and see something to make a witty comment on, "haha! look there selling girl scout cookies in the parking lot! Be right back, I so want on of those chocolate chip Samoa cookies right now!".

Second, bring a laptop, if you have one. I always bring my macbook air. I'm lucky and have a nice DHV laptop. BUT make sure it is clean! Women will notice if you have cheeto crumbs on the keyboard, and the screen is covered with dirt and grime. When date time approaches act like your busy doing something so when she walks in you're no just sitting idle day-dreaming. I'm usually browsing these or other PUA forums, but it looks like I'm busy doing something...

When she approaches... I always look up, smile, stand up, shake her hand (boom mini-kino within the first two seconds), and say, "sorry needed to catch up on a few emails.". Then sit and offer her a piece of gum. (gum says, I don't like stinky breath, a small subliminal neg) Now engage in conversation for about two - five minutes. The best initial opener is, "so how was the traffic on the way here?" She'll respond.. Then say something c/f in response. Ask what kind of coffee she wants. I ALWAYS assume I'm gonna be paying. Call me old fashion, but $5 coffee isn't too much for a women I'm at least moderately attracted to. If she's cute I'll also offer her a small piece of cheese cake as well.

At this point go for about a 15 - 20 minute conversation. Remember body language, voice tonality are important here as well. Now the laptop comes into play. (note if you're browsing PUA forums before she arrives CLEAR THE HISTORY in your web browser). When conversing, if a topic comes up where I'm talking about a news topic I'll pull up CNN or the local news to let her read it, if it she hasn't heard about it yet. Or even if for example the topic of cell phones comes up, and she hasn't seen the latest whiz-bang iphone. Just google and show her a pic as visual reference....

Okay, after 15 min of conversation, time to go into action.

At the Barnes and Knoble cafe I frequent. there is a cardboard ad for the new nook. I'll look at it and say, "this is cool I'm getting a kindle, let's go check this nook out. This is easy for me, I'm a techno wienie and know a lot about these devices. If you don't, get familiar with how they work so you look intelligent when playing around with it in front of her.....

After a while of browsing I'll find one with the game of Angry Birds and challeng her to quick game. I act like I've never played. But really own it on my iphone and got really good at the first level. I'll let her go first. Then I'll win the first level with one bird, and say, "haha! you buy coffee next time!".

Now, I wander off and look at some books. She'll naturally follow your lead. Just look casual, and wandering. But you really want to go by the books you've listened to on audio tape. just point out a few key interesting parts in each book. About three to five books will do. She'll think you are a very intelligent guy! HUGE DHV.

After, 15 minutes give a false time restraint and leave on YOUR terms..... "Hey, it;s been awesome June, but I'm swamped today. I really need to get back to the office.

Offer to walk her out to her vehicle. This is situational and depends if you have a decent vehicle or not. Personally, I drive a pretty nice ride. I try to park in front next to the door. on the way out I'll point at my Jeep and say, "where did you park, I love my jeep, I can find it in any parking lot! it has a 3" inch lift and towers most other vehicles. Than walk her out to her car....

If you get a text later that day out of the blue from her, you've nailed the date.

If I don't get a text back w/o her first texting me, I'll text a few days later with something like, "too poor to buy my coffee or embarrassed about getting whipped at Angry Birds? ".



The more expensive date:
This date will cost about 30 bones for me. I only use it on women that I find attractive, seem really interested in me, and there is a good chance of chemistry.

I found a "fun park". Sometimes I watch my cousin's younger children and have been taking them there to pass the time. I always saw people out on dates to, and they'er always smiling and having a good time, too.

So I developed a routine here.

A fun pack is 23 bones. With it we can do mini golf, play some games to score tickets, and ride the go-carts.

First I start off with mini gold. I fucking suck at it, and have no intentions of being good. If she starts to kick my ass, I'll take her ball and say, "I'm getting the good ball, you cheat!"

Then I'll start to make up silly rules. I'll say, "lets make this fun!" each hole one of us has to make a rule for the hole, I'll go first" This hole, we need to tee off with our eyes closed". Then keep going from there. I also developed some canned lines for conversation starters. for example, one hole is near a farm with a cow field. If she's from a rural part of the area,

After golf we'll go play some of the games that give out tickets for silly prizes. I'll say this is awesome, I'm gonna win you a fake mustache like the one I got at chuck E. cheese when I was 12! I'll walk up to the skee-ball and put it on two player and let her go first. We'll usually get about 5 tickets each on this.

Next, I act casual and walk to a machine with the crane, where you try to pull out a stuffed dinosaur. I'll say, "if I win you a dinosaur, you at least owe me a hug! I'll never win, but continue with this routine later….

Next I let her lead, browse around, and put in credits for stuff she likes to play. And I let her kick my ass. I'll then say, "time for me to regain my dignity! Walk over to the basketball challenge. It gives 40 seconds to make as many shots as possible. I'll put it on two player and let her go first….

When it's my turn, I'll say, "stand back". Or something cocky. Walk about three feet further back from the line and swish almost EVERY ball. Yes, I've practiced this a lot to get really good. I'll usually get a crap load of tickets here.

we'll walk around, talk and play games for about another 10 minutes. Than I'll say, ok, I get to pick out your prize. Walk over to the prize booth and act like I'm looking around. I'll get two plastic dinosaurs (remember the dinosaur routine from earlier?) and a bag of pop rocks. Then look at her and say, okay you said a hug for one dino, what do I get for for two??? She'll usually laugh. Then I'll hand her pop-rocks and say, "if you don't live live up, I'm making you eat those after I buy you a soda for lunch, lets go eat" THis is really cool! A lot of times they'll even offer to buy lunch!


We'll talk for a while and eat. Now comes the epic part! The go carts!

I always try to go on Sunday. That way the lines are shorter and I can usually get the go-cart in pole-position. I've practiced, and practiced on these and almost always come in first first place and lap people. I got pretty bad-ass at it. IDK why, but it's a DHV when when a guy can drive a car good, or operate machinery. :-/

At the end they announce the top three and give out plastic gold, silver, and bronze medals…….

SAme parking lot routine and false time restraint as previous "cheaper date" are used to exit at this point.


Below are some common ground rules for first dates:
- be showered and clean. Wash your wiennie and pubic hair. If you get lucky, and get intamate don't smell like a sewer down there. Clip your toe nails and finger nails. Brush and floss your teeth right before you leave, and chew gum. Bad breath is a deal breaker with attractive women.

- Always wear CLEAN clothes. Don't look like you're trying to impress, but be clean. If you smoke, don't smoke again after showering. Keep your clothes in a room you do not smoke in. Smelling like cigs is gross.

- Shoes and socks are huge! I have three pairs of shoes I use for just first dates, They're totally clean and look brand spankin new. If dirty, I get some 409 and scrub them down before the date. I always wear BRAND NEW socks. Go to Wal-MArt. you can get some pretty good looking sock socks for about $7 per 5 pack.

- If she arrives at your place invite her in. your place should be sparkling clean. Messy and dirty do not show a DHV attractive life-style. Have some conversational pieces to make quick comments on. For example, I have a framed, autographed Seattle Seahawks team poster, and some old 60's Beatles LP's hanging on the walls of my living room. Offer her a drink. I'll say, "Sorry, I've been running late, need to go downstairs and brush my teeth really quick" Booze is on the bar, beer, soda and bottled water in the fridge, help yourself". Make sure you're fridge is CLEAN!!!!!!

THen I'l go downstairs brush my teeth and wait about another 5 minutes before coming up. Hasn't happened yet, but someday might lead to her coming down to see what's taking so long…. I'll be sitting on my bed acting like I'm texting…. Hoping that could go somewhere someday….

Don't keep her at your place too long. It is kinda creepy. about 15 mins tops before setting out on the date.

- going to the date: I almost INSIST they drive. I'm paying, and it's difficult to focus on gaming while driving. I'm not too pushy, but I don't like to drive out to the destination when we go out together.

If taking your vehicle, it should be CLEAN! You're gonna be paying $30 to take a woman out, you are interested in. Even if you do not own a nice ride wash and clean it first. Dirty with old Mickey D's fries under the seats is gross!!! you may not be rich, but don't be a slob, too…



Okay, this was a novel of a post. A lot of typos and grammatical errors. I spent about 30 mins writing this up, and am too lazy to correct. Hope it helps some other people nail those first online dates!

Good luck and happy gaming!!!!!