Saw this HB on OKC. Really just looking for someone to fool around with. Looking for some feedback on the convo. Most likely gonna be a good laugh for some but I'm still working on my online skillz. It's only been two days since I heard from her and about a day from my last message. Let me know if it's still salvageable and if so any suggestions on what I need to do to bring it back.

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me: What's up? Full-time bad ass and hockey player, huh? Nice, where do you play?

HB: Not a lot. Just in the process of unpacking. It never ends! Hahah. Yep, that's me. Among other things. I haven't played in a while but I used to play out in the Willowbrook area. I love hockey; I go to Aeros games all the time. Have you ever played? Oh, I'm --, by the way.

me: Nice to meet you, -- Unpacking? Did you just get back from a trip? I grew up in the northeast and we used to play pond hockey growing up. I'm in the process of getting some gear so I can sign up for a league near my area. I've been to a few Aeros games myself. It's always very exciting.

HB: No I actually just moved back to -- yesterday. I go to -- so I was living in --. My lease went up and -- is boring so I moved back. Ooh pond hockey. I've only played once; I went up north for a playoff game and we found this amazing pod to play on. It was so much fun. I've lived in -- my whole life. I've never even seen real snow. How pathetic is that? Happy Thanksgiving, by the way.

me: Happy thanksgiving to you and yours too . Hopefully your enjoying some quality family time and watching some football. That's cool. -- is pretty remote. I've only traveled through the area heading up towards -- for work. You just graduated this past May, right? What did you major in? What area of Houston do you live in? Hehe, snow gets old after a while and is nice to see in small doses . You're not really missing anything special. I'm actually taking a trip up to -- in December to do some snowboarding. I wasn't able to do any last year and it's something I like to do at least once a year. Where in -- did you grow up?

HB: I'm missing all the football. The family friend's house I'm at doesn't have cable. Even if they did, none of these people like football. Guess you'll have to watch enough for the both of us. ;] No, I will graduate in May. I'm an English major with a minor in secodary education. Basically ill be the most amazing English teacher this side of Canada. Lol Hahah that's what everyone keeps telling me but I still want to experience it. I grew up here in -- near --, lived in -- for 2 yr in college, moved to huntsville for a year, and now I'm back in --. By --. What area of -- are you in?

me: Nope, no football for you. You'll have to wait until tomorrow for the college games then. You're not one of those -- diehards I hope. Or are you a big football fan at all? An English teacher, huh? I guess I can see that about you from your pictures. I'm more of a left brained thinker than a right. What grade do you plan on teaching? I get the impression you'd be the one layered in sweats with the large winter jacket on in the cold weather. :p I always wanted to live in -- for a year or two. Did you enjoy that? Since I moved here I never really went away from the -- area. I like being centralized for my job since I do a lot of driving. I don't like being a slave to the -- traffic.
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That was the last I heard from her. I gave it about a day and then took a peak at her profile to see when she signed on last and it shows she's been on since then. I think I just came on too strong in the last message. I realized the convo wasn't really getting intimate quickly enough, so I tried to step it up by teasing her a little more. I noticed a few IOIs in her last message (italicized) and thought I could become a little cavalier in my approach. Looking back I'd guess I probably insulted her more than anything. Either that or I didn't respond quick enough. Let me know your thoughts. As I said let me know if there is any way to bring things back.

hey TYM-

i feel like you did a few things wrong here, but the most glaring thing is quite simply that your conversation is boring. i think you should try to be edgier/funnier/wittier and overall just more fun and playful when you're messaging girls on a dating site.

also, you asked a bunch of questions interview style. she started off by answering a few of them, but it's not going to continue on forever. girls get tired of that shit. while you did a good job having a conversation with her, you didn't really do anything to attract her or make her interested in you. which leads me to my last point...

you dragged it on way too long. ideally, i think it's best to send a few messages back and forth for her to realize that you're fun/unique/interesting/whatever and then get the number and take it to the phone.

as far as your thoughts on what you did wrong, i think you're way off. you didnt come on too strong. you didnt tease her or insult her. you just quite simply didnt do enough to be interesting or attract her. so why would she continue responding? the conversation wasn't going anywhere. i mean, she wants to meet a cool new guy and get fucked after all, not discuss her thanksgiving vacation. lets be honest she could have had this conversation with any of her friends or even her aunt or something. that's not good.

i dont think it's all bad, though. your opening message was pretty good. short and to the point and she responded and seemed to be interested. actually, her initial message was great. it was longer than yours and she gave you her name. plus she asked you a question. this is as good of an answer as you can expect from a girl online. the only way it could be better would be if she included her number immediately. that hardly ever happens, though.

so with your 2nd message, you should have been more fun. she gave you a great opening asking you if youve ever played hockey before. tell her you played in the NHL last year. heck, tell her you played for the Bruins and ask her if she wants to spend the day with you and the Stanley Cup when its your turn with it. just be interesting and after a couple of messages ask for her number and tell her you'll text her if you get a chance.

i would say its probably done for, but if you want a shot at salvaging it, wait another couple of days and if she hasnt responded yet then hit her up with a message like "hey, i've been pretty busy and im not on here much anymore, but i'd like to continue talking to you. give me your number and ill send you a text when i get the chance". id say thats your best chance to try to continue this.

I dont really have much to add to "ItsAlwaysOn" as he accurately nailed just about every point I was going to make and it the right order. So Ill just iterate

1. too boring bro
2. too many questions
3. lacking funny statements about yourself and funny comments on her profile

your format is wrong. I use 2-3 emails of 2-3 paragraphs each before I arrange a meet up. These back and forth are too short in length, too numerous, and too cursory in transmitting anything fun

in other words just follow everything ItsAlwaysOn, just told you

Hey, thanks for the feedback, both of you, and the honesty. I'll defintely keep this advice in mind going forward.

Took your advice on the response today ItsAlwaysOn:

me: Hey, I've been pretty busy and I'm not on here much anymore, but I'd like to continue talking to you. Give me your number and I'll send you a text when I get the chance.

HB: I'm not either.. And even when I am, I'm usually supposed to be writing a paper, like now for instance. My number is ...

Got a quick reply, too.

Good work!

By the way I never call chicks before I meet up with them. After my 2-3 emails , I arrange a meetup, then get their number only to text logistics on the night of the meet up. I avoid phone conversations pre-date as they provide no upside for me, as I know I can get them to meet me for drinks utilizing good email game rather then dealing with phone game.

Thats just my preference. Whatever works for you is great, I just always hear about online-->phone game-->date and I just skip the middle man.

Oh ya "tell her you played for the Bruins and ask her if she wants to spend the day with you and the Stanley Cup"

This is gold! When a woman asked me once online why i traveled so much I told a her I was a secret operative for the CIA. She was a mediocre date so I never disabused her of that notion, I told her I couldn't tell her much about my work because it would put her life at risk.

Done deal my friend. Got a date on Wednesday at a nice Italian restaurant nearby. I totally agree with you on the first part. I hate talking on the phone unless I really have too. Even the text game I find frustrating. I usually do the few emails thing, get the number, coordinate the meet up, then leave it be. My poor messaging skills is the main reason I keep it that way. I usually do a lot better face to face. I can keep the conversation flowing. The last two dinner dates I've been on went on for about two hours, but I still have trouble escalating things and sealing the deal. I generally take to a more natural approach. Definitely gonna use that NHL line, though.

im glad you turned it around with her. have fun on the date. and by that i mean bang her and tell us about it. best of luck.

Bro one more piece of well accepted PUA advice for future reference that I would STRONGLY encourage you to consider...

NO DINNERS!

its sets the frame that your paying for her affection in which case chicks start considering you as a provider rather then a lover (thus sex delayed), and they arnt feeling sexy after a gut bomb on your dime. In addition all AFC's take chicks to meals so your throwing yourself into that category right off the bat, movies are equally as bad. I never take girls to dinner before ive closed them out. Try drinks at a lounge, cheaper, sexier, and more effective.


As far as text goes i've tried by hook and by crook to make text work for me for years and i've come to the conclusion that you cant increase attraction via words on a greyscale text screen. So now I just use text to confirm meet ups and logistics.