Do you know that for a fact?

That reminds me of when people say: "no wonder women don't like you, coz you're mean to them/a mysoginist", meanwhile, battered wives are wearing sunglasses to cover their black eyes so as not to incriminate their abusive stud boyfriends.

With my real pics, I got 3 replies in like 4 years from the fattest ugliest chicks known to man.

With my fake male model profile, every time I refreshed the page, I got 1-3 new messages.

Note that girls "opened" my fake profile with "hey gorgeous", etc. It must have been my personality that attracted them.

No shit better looking guys get more messages, but the reason you only get 3 replies in 4 years is probably because your profile fucking sucks not just because of your pictures. I have friends who are short, fat, bald, and ugly who clean up online. Just because it is EASY to get girls online if you are really good looking, doesn't mean it's the only way, or that you can't still do well without incredible looks.

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Why does everyone in the world have an ugly, short, fat, bald, one-armed, Treacher-Collins, Downs Syndrome, Acid Burns Victim friend who has threesomes with 10/10 Victoria Secret models?

Where are these mythical men that seem to be known to everyone but me?

Do you have a pic of him and the type of girls he gets?

inb4 excuses.

i'm not going to post a friends information for some random dude on the internet, sorry. call me out on excuses excuses all you want, or you can just accept that you are doing something wrong and fix it. PM me your profile and I will help you.

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Sigh.

On my male model profile, I said I am on Wellbutrin and want to kill myself as an OPENER and got a girl's number. Does it even matter what my real profile says? Girls already reject me based on the law of FACE.

You think women are THAT different to men? Do you date women for their personality?

Lol. Look at all the old nasty guys with hot chicks out there. Yea, a lot of them are rich, or famous, but not all of them. Now, a woman needs you to have something good going for you. NO SHIT. If you are a total deadbeat loser with no job and no money and no ambition and are also ugly, you won't get girls (maybe this is you?) But to say guys only get girls based on looks is retarded. Girls care way less about looks than guys. This is a fact.
Anyways, you clearly don't get laid because you have a defeatist attitude and care more about what good looking guys can get away with than what you can do if you actually put in any effort to get women. Have fun with that.

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This pretty much sums it all up. Deal with the fact that you are a lazy piece of shit, DO SOMETHING with yourself to change it. If you've got everything you possibly can going for you, you will be more attractive to women. You're looks will not matter.

Great thread, online dating is all about looks, I recently set up an outrageously arrogant profile with pics of a really good looking guy on it and virtually every message I sent got a reply no matter how bad it was. I then sent the same girls messages from my own legit profile and hardly got a response from any them. My profile is well written and I am far from an ugly guy but I am no male model...so it seems that women do only want the very best looking guys online.

However, I do not agree that game is a scam, women can like the look of you and it sparks an initial attraction but if you have no game to follow up your screwed and this is from years of my own personal experience.

I find it hard to believe you can create attraction from nothing via game there has to be a spark of physical attraction there to begin with and then you build on that with game.

recci: the PUA facebook updates link in your sig is pretty cringeworthy. No real-life slayer of hotties would write theses asperger lines to increase his ladies man aura on his facebook.

You guys assume we are not actively trying to get laid, which is really far from the truth. It's just that the denial of the seduction community about the importance of looks and also the sky-high level of bogus surrounding the claims of the level of success PUA experience are just too much.

Of course getting depressed over the fact that a model-tier guy has it so easy will certainly not improve your chances with attractive women, it fucks you up even more. But burrying your head in the sand is also ridiculous, there are massive amounts of evidence, including a shitload of scientific studies, that women deeply care about your looks, money and status and that they are incredibly picky for casual sex(the point of PUA, right?), and instead of interrupting hot women who are doing their shopping for an awkward conversation with a weirdo with an obvious agenda(what you call daygame), you'd better max out your looks and try to get a job with a decent status in a nightclub or in the entertainement business to meet a constant stream of hot girls who will actually be interested in you, for exemple. But it would not sell DVD's and bootcamps to tell your students to get down to 10% bf and to try to become barmen or DJ's in a high-end nightclub, people would rather hear bullshit about looks and status being irrelevant and that it's all about loving yourself and updating your facebook with lines such as those:

http://highvaluestatus.com/

Hey man. I tried sending you a PM but I'm not sure I'm doing it right.. just says it's in my "outbox", not "sent messages". I wanted to see if you could give some feedback on my profile. Can you let me know if my PM came through or send one to me so I can reply with my link?

Thanks.

Your profile is probably not as good as you think it is or maybe you live in a tough area for online game like a suburb or small town. I'm pretty average looking and not tall and I clean up online. I get women emailing me first regularly and it's usually to comment on my profile or some very specific "tricks" in it (almost most of my dates are from those) and I find it easy to turn messages into dates and close on the dates.

Also, you are looking at it wrong. Really good looking guys do well online but that simply does not mean guys who aren't male models cant. Seriously, there are like a zillion women online, there is just about every type of woman who is into any type of man. It is BY FAR the easiest way to get women.

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Check your inbox.. was away for the weekend

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Go home and get your fucking shine box.

So we have gone from looks only mattering to looks money and status... what is next, oh, it's
"only" looks, money, status, confidence, intelligence, personality? Like I said before, which really should have been end of thread, if you have nothing going for you, you won't get women. Looks is one of those things you can have "going for you". Simple as that.

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Hey man don't hate on me I agree with a lot of what you are saying.. Ill be the first to admit that most of the lines on my site are complete garbage I just put every line I could possibly find. people are meant to rate them as good or bad! And most are terrible.

However if you strip away all the marketing garbage and get back to the basic message that all PUA materiel worth a toss tells you e.g. Approach more women, be confident, be a bit cocky avoid acting like a wussy and behave in the same way as somebody with a high status and money would, then your success with women will drastically improve. Obviously if a women finds you repugnant to look at then no amount of game is going to change that! But if she is passive towards your looks then you can make her warm to you through game. I have proved this to myself time and again and beded chicks I would never have got anywhere near before I knew what I know now.