OK so I cant ever say anything in person but online I get some good responses. There is this app called whisper where you can see posts people make locally, and its completely anonymous and meant for people to share their secrets. This one girl posted:

"ive accepted the fact that I am a nympho and that ill never be satisfied but damned it bed nice to have a lay who can keep up with me"

so I messaged her with:

Me: Oh really? so would you like to get a train going just one guy after the other
Her: haha not what i want
Me: would you want two guys at the same time
Her: hmm could be fun
Me: tell me your fantasies what turns you on
Her: i like it rough, biting hair pulling. i dont like to be in charge in bed i like to be told what to do.
Me: tell me what you are doing right now. are you home alone
Her: no my roommates are home
Me: really? what if you started touching yourself right now would they notice? would you get caught
Her: they would totally notice i live with men
Me: haha thats perfect. you should totally start feeling up on yourself right now. think about your favorite celebrity. imagine his hands going over you touch yourself as if your hands are his hands.
Her: hmm and how is this perfect lol
Me: cause what if they catch you doing it? do they know how sensual you are? would it be bad? what if they saw you doing it and they wanted to join in
Her: haha i live work and deploy with them i dont want to add fucking them to that list
Me: oh you poor thing. stuck in the house all day with two guys, craving and not having.
Her: torture
Me: do you check em out? do you like their bods? do you wonder what it would be like to fuck them
Her: one of them yes im not gonna lie
Me: ooh that must be painful. what if they suddenly turned gay for each other one day? just started feeling each others arms and chests and abs, their hands exploring each other. would you watch
Her: my jaw would drop
Me: what if they started making out in front of you, their hands reaching into each others pants right in front of you. their legs begin to quiver as they pleasure themselves, they want to make out but they cant stop moaning.
Me: how are you feeling right now are you getting all hot n bothered are they seeing you right now? are you blushing? what if they ask you whats going on? what are you going to say hahahahaha
Her: I kinda hate you right now
Me: mmm really? have some pent up frustration you need to get rid of? you do huh. just admit it. dont even lie
Her: God yes lol
Me: youre in my city you know. I have a place to myself. you could come over and take care of that, discretely.
Her: oic. pic (ok now I am not sure what to do here. Do I just straight up give it to her? do I make her work for it? I have felt very confident up until this point. No choice, its gambit time.)
Me: tell the truth that sounds wonderful right now. hey hey, slow down there princess. I believe in ladies first ya know
Her: *a pic of her* thats me now you (ok, she is hella cute. she actually sent the pic first with no arguing, I know shes interested. shes demanding my pic! shit do I just give in or make her work? )
Me: mm ok yea I can get on board with that. you ready to have a car parked in your garage? (argh did i mess up letting her know I wanted it? that is often where I seem to lose it. making it about my interests. I dont know how to not involve myself. It seems to be the case that if I just keep it about her it works better but I screwed up. also i think the innuendo was cheesy. I have no idea what I am doing right now though) you really want a pic? tell me you want it. say it now. (she said she likes to be told what to do. I figured I should make her work for it. now that I look back, I feel like maybe I should have denied her more and let her get more frustrated and not given in. now look what happens.)
Her: i want it
Me: *pic of me* what if you came over right now and I invited a guy friend (bah did i move too soon? she hasnt even commented on me)
Her: eeh maybe (did she not like the way I look?)
Me: were going to shoot a porno. but you can only watch
Me: do you wanna see it? do you wanna see us kissing and touching each other? what if your room mates came over too
*she blocked me* fuck.

It hurts to read. My best advice, tone down the sex talk during the photo exchange. Especially if you aren't as fine as her. She was making a mental decision either to come over, to keep talking to you, or block you. Your sexual advances seemed to be too much pressure, and then you said some weird stuff at the end she probably wasn't down with.

Girls who hook up with guys online are usually looking for at least 1 level up on the 10 point scale. Be honest with me, were you at least 1 point below her on the scale? If you were lower, it is important that you display some other value during the photo exchange. In example, you are a 5 and she is an 8... You need to say or do something at the moment you send the picture for her to think that maybe you are a 7. My opinion is that the weird stuff you said about 3somes and kissing dudes lowered your value and this sucks at any point in the seduction, but especially when she is making the decision to buy. Next time she sends you a picture, maybe neg hit her before you send yours. If that isn't your style, there are plenty of other ways to increase your perceived value, do a little research.


All in all, you got her to a point in the conversation where she was considering banging you. She might have had no intention all along to hook up with you, but you created an opportunity where she had to consider it, GOOD WORK! keep gaming

Thanks. It hurts to fail! lol. Yea I always feel like I jump the gun towards the end, push too hard. I have only got 2 lays online this way, so I have about a 90% failure rate. This one especially hurts cause I feel like she was in range if I just had played the correct game.

She was easily an 8, 9 in my book. Yea I have been described as a 6, 7 or 8 at the highest, no doubt she was higher than me. The pic I had sent her was of me in my best suit however, and I have noticed considerably better results when I send it. Reguardless, I was at best a 7 while she was a 9. Probably didnt help that I super fumbled the game at the end there.

I have heard of negs, but I dont really know the mechanics of them or things which increased my perceived value. If you have any links I would really appreciate it. Thankyousomuch