Take this link with a grain of salt. http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/2010/ ... -pictures/ I think black guys have it right, smiling in pictures does NOT portray masculinity or make you an alpha male. In chimps and some Asian cultures, smiling is used to portray submission or fear to a dominant force. Does Brad Pitt smile on magazine covers? Alright, so Tom Cruise does half the time, but people say he's a latent homosexual, too. Coincidence? I think it's a good idea to smile when you're with a girl, it shows approval and happiness in western society and makes her feel like she's special as long as you're not the kind of guy that smiles at everyone.

I'm going to mix up my profile pictures according to these trends and see if anything comes out of it. Looking forward to showing some skin! (gay, I know)

I'm sorry but I'm really going o have to disagree with you. It's been proven that women see men as more approachable when they smile, and a girl thinking you're gay might not hurt you in the scheme of things. The best profile pictures are ones that show you in a social setting having a good time, looking good and preferably with other high calibre people(hot girls or rich and/or famous guys)

all my friends that do really well with girls, especially true natural alpha's have pictures of themselves smiling with friends in a club, or surfing at sunrise or on stage in their band or anything else that seperates trm
from afc betas that have close up photos of themselves shirtless in the mirror or at their computer taken on the webcam.

Have the confidence to smile, it's easier to frown and try look cool than to smile and try and look dominant at the same time

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Did you even look at the link? The consensus is smiling in pictures attracts women, but a consensus is typically the laziest answer, not necessarily the correct one.

Of course. And I found it interesting, but This article seems
to be referring to profile pictures in dating sites (when people are specifically looking for a date, and hence are less likely to be influenced by nonverbal dhvs) and also dealing with photos taken from a webcam.

I base most of what I know on the guys I know,(myself included) that have the most sec with the most attractive women. The guys in my group all sleep with about one New girl a week. And usually end up having sex three or four times
a week in total.

I think it's important to have smiling pictures also because people find us easier to approach and we seem like nicer people to other guys. If you want to be invited to
the VIP party, the guy running it has to like you. If you seem angry he may think of you as a liability that will kill the party. I've never slept with a girl I met on facebook, but I've slept with several girls at parties which I was invited to through facebook.

Just a thought. It's important to seem social and fun at all times. The serious guy doesn't get laid one tenth as much as the life of the party

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I see alot of girls with pictures of guys not smiling on their pages, usually myspace where they post up a pic of some guy trying to look hard/gangster, or pictures of them with a guy and the guy not smiling at all, and the girl will quote the pic like "isnt he cute?" or something like that "my boo".

Yep. Smiling in pictures is bad for your profile. Don't believe me? Go to hotornot and post up two pictures of yourself: one smiling and one "mugging". Guarantee you I know which one will get the higher rating.

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I understand what you're saying. But pickup isn't about one girl, It's about building a lifestyle. If you're targeting one girl go for it. But check out your alpha friends profiles, the ones that have the hottest girls, the best lifestyle, and look at their profiles. Smiling in really fun situations that demonstrate higher value.

At award shows, nightclubs they/we run, playing professional sport, hanging with really hot girls or celebrities. Anything that makes them look better than the bathroom shirtless posers.

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Let me elaborate: Pictures of you with girls are good for your social network sites. If you're surrounded by hot girls, you can smile all you want. Those are social proof pics and will work quite well if you're using SOCIAL NETWORKING SITES TO RUN GAME.

Dating sites though...not so much. You more or less have to stand on your own on the dating sites, meaning the social proof pics with a bunch of hot girls DOESN'T WORK on dating sites. Again, no problem with doing it on facebook/myspace, but on dating sites, you have to use pics of you and only you. Extensively field tested.

That being said, I found that pictures without a smile fared MUCH better for me and several others that I know.

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yeh I agree, wouldn't put my facebook photos on a dating website. But as I said earlier, facebook is a social networking site, and it's important to be attractive to guys(not in a gay way obviously) as well as girls if you want the best possible social setting to meet as many girls as possible.

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I'm pretty skeptical about okcupid's "findings", but I think JohnnyC69 pretty much sold me. Social proof doesn't really come into play on dating sites.

Just do what feels natural, whatever, works for as long as it matches your personality...

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I wonder if there's something relevant here:

http://www.projectmojave.com/blog/james ... -language/

browolf,

Fucking genius quote man. I've normally only thought of applying this way of thinking to kino, but I guess using a smile as a reward could be effective too. Wow...this really hit home for me. I'm going to apply this immediately. Thank you for posting this.

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ya, honestly, I think I didn't start 2 actually get LAID until I stopped smiling at or around girls. I found in the field(not sure bout online?) that smiling will get u in their social circle easier & it will get u tons of flaky #'s. It might even result in less rejection right away, not sure about that though?

Not smiling, not to be confused w/ scowling or outright looking mean or mad, I mean more of a neutral or no emotion look combined w/ going direct will get u blown-out way more, as well as, LAID more. Women want fun, life of the party guy to be friends w/; they want serious, mean-what-the-fuck-they-say guys to have sex w/.

IT HURTS!!! Going direct hurts...A LOT...Learn to plow & 2 continue your body-language, talk in innuendo's, NEVER compliment them verbally, ALWAYS compliment them physically. If they begin to escalate physically or be receptive to your escalation don't be fucking smiling, act like it ain't even happening. Talk about something boring or mundane while being extremely physical(women love this shit), act like the physical touch, making out, whatever is something that you do all the time & it ain't even worth mentioning.

Go direct & tell the girl what you want from them, be serious about it, if she fucks w/ u(shit test) DO NOT SMILE like she is joking around w/ you....she's not....she's trying to make you crack...she want's 2 see if under pressure you will act like this is all a big joke & try to save face like a pussy by smiling.

I know, I know, you are asking, "How does a girl know to do this 'little test' every time she gets hit on"? Well she doesn't. She does not actually know what she is doing, it is something they just can't help, it's subconscious or some shit. I will say though that their tests get easier if they are in state or find you very attractive, they are still there though, they're just less recognizable.


man: "I'd like to get 2 know you better...
girl: "I bet you would"/ {laughter}/"Got a Boyfriend"/ etc, etc....
man: starts smiling all of the sudden & tries to make it look like he was joking

~This example is in my experience shows the type of girls who are actually DTF, if man would have passed this simple, but crucial, little shit test that is...If she is investing time & giving you a response even after going direct you have a have a good chance of getting a favorable close. This why I prefer direct because it helps to eliminate flakes right away; less waste of valuable sarging time.

If you go direct you will almost always get shit tested right away(unless your extremely attractive & sometimes not even this will work though) , PASS IT!!! Be prepared for it!!!! Know that 9 out of 10 guys that hit on her will not ever get past this point. This is a huge DHV to a girl right away, actually one of the best because most guys(as I've said) will almost always start trying to make light of the situation as soon as they get some resistance. They will start smiling and/or laughing or start insulting them or some stupid shit. Don't smile, stay on course, show them your serious about getting what you want.

If they say something that is ACTUALLY funny, smile, if you want 2...just what-ever you do, don't smile just for the sake of smiling. Ask the Asians how much pussy get they get. JOKE.... There now you can smile.... lol

Can't remember the PUA that said this, but it was something about how girls are not fun until your fucking them. I mean who wants to force themselves to approach & keep getting rejected, who the fuck wants to go to some shitty, loud-ass club?... Who the fucks wants to listen to a girl talking about a bunch of bull-shit when your just trying to fuck?!?! None of this is fun to me, GIRLS ARE NOT FUN. So why are you smiling about it??!!? Be real, stay sexual. If your actually amused laugh or smile.


Kris


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