Alright so I'm pretty new to all of this... never really thought I was terrible at talking to girls and I don't really get nervous in person, but I could definitely use some work... soo heres the first one on POF:

Alright so I have two examples here... I got the first message from a different forum but these were both off POF. I never really used to think I had a problem talking to women, but I know I could use some improvement.

ME:You know... I'd really take that picture off your profile

HER: Which one? And why is that?

ME: I'm just teasing. I wanted to see if you can take a joke. You look like you could be trouble, are you trouble?

HER: I feel like if I answer that I'm incriminating myself....I plead the 5th? But same question to you....and you
don't have the right to that amendment

ME: Plead the 5th? Now your just playing innocent, and we both know how "nice, sweet, and innocent" girls are .
Are you trying to imply that I'm trouble? That depends on whether you're fun or not... Are you?

HER: You can't self declare whether your fun or not. That's for someone else to figure out. But I like to think so.
I assume you are judging by the non-conventional questions I'm getting from you. And just out of curiosity, how are "nice, sweet and innocent" girls....?

ME:Judging? No... That isn't for me to decide, perhaps you're feeling some guilt for some reason or another ? Oh so you'd like to know about "nice, sweet, and innocent" girls? Well I prefer not to get into specifics or detail, since that really isn't my style. If you don't consider yourself innocent, then what opinion do you have of yourself?

HER: Haha a wink face, now I know you're trouble. You've just confirmed it. And I didn't say I wasn't innocent.
But I didn't say I was either. Perhaps I'm in between the two. What about you Mr. Wink Face?

ME:Mr wink face? Awwh that's cute, but don't you think it's a little early for pet names? Now I feel like I'm being tested, and I'm offended that you would think I'm trouble. I know I have nothing to be concerned about though, because I'm a little angel 0 lol. So could I get your name? Mine is ____

HER:Trouble is always "offended" when it gets called out on what it is. It is confirmed. And you're right, ____
probably works better than Mr. Wink Face. My name is _____

ME: Oh now I see how you are... You're accusing me of having a guilty conscience aren't you? I swear I don't have to take this kind of abuse lol. It is a pleasure to meet you ____. So how is it that a decent looking girl is into Star Wars and Incubus? I think we could have some fun going to a race, or watching some motocross together

HER: Haha I just love to abuse. George Lucas and Brandon Boyd are immortals among men. And I'm always
down for racing, I don't know much about motocross, I'm more of a NASCAR person, but it definitely takes
some talent.

ME: I used to watch NASCAR, but driving 5 miles and turning left over and over drives me insaaaane. You don't strike me as the type of girl who is intimidated easily, so do you think you could handle going for a ride on my motorcycle?










Heres the second one:


This was the second girl, she got a little mad so I tried a different approach...

ME: You know... you should really take that picture off your profile

HER: Y

ME: I was just teasing you and wanted to see if you can take a joke. I can't help but notice that you look like trouble... Are you?

HER: No but I kinda hate your personality

ME: Haha now your just trying to play innocent, and we both know how those "nice, sweet, and innocent" girls are

HER: Yeah..I hate it

ME: Oooohhh so you're the type of girl who is easily offended... Probably shouldn't watch so many soap operas and expect prince charming lol

HER: I'm not offended I just don't like you..u try to hard and think ur more than u are

ME: Oh so you're trying to say I'm conceited, yet you've never met me? I can't see that I've tried that hard to be honest. I mean you are alright looking, ill give you that. But you obviously use your profile for attention

HER:I dsnt say conceited..I'm sayin u think ur some kinda prince charming but ur tryin to hard to be him nd to me it's not cute..im sure allot of other girls think its cute tho

HER AGAIN: Sorry..havin a rough day..not usually this mean..you seem nice there's no reason 4mr to be mean

ME:I've never once tried to be prince charming, all I've tried is to make conversation. You seem like a fairly cool girl, but a bit snappy. I am sorry you're having a rough day, but there's no reason to take it out on me

HER:I knw my bad..but good luck..

ME:So if I ask your name are you gonna bite my head off? I mean you've gave me all the reason in the world not to talk to you... But I think your just using it as a defense. My names ____

HER:A defense for what?

ME:You've obviously worked yourself up into a man hating frenzy, and I mean I'm pretty laidback so your verbal attacks don't affect me. Now that I've answered your question, could I get your name? You seem like you'd be a cool girl to be friends with, I personally don't think I could get intimate with you just because of your attitude though.

HER:Hahaha names ____ nd I dnt usually have an attitude..I said I was sorry ha

ME:Well then, apology accepted _____ . Now that we are at least on good terms I'd like to learn more about you. I read your profile and I noticed it says that you like to be crazy, does that include chewing out random strangers lol? What's the craziest thing you've ever done?

HER:I mention like goofin around..I'm never serious

ME:Me too. So is there a number I could reach you at? I mean you're gonna have to prove to me that you like goofing around and joking, I'm having a hard time believing it

Don't see anything overtly wrong with the 1st, besides you trying to qualify her several times in the beginning and her not taking the bait but instead trying to qualify you/take the frame. The last line about taking her for a ride on your motorcycle is a bit try-hard given as it seems disjointed since you were hardly having any serious talk about your self and your life. What happened with the rest of the interaction?

2nd girl seems to have characterized you based on your profile content. She saw you weren't fitting her stereotype of you in the interaction and felt a bit bad. You got defensive with the "you're alright looking you use your profile for attention..." bit, I'd have left that out and just continued breaking down her stereotype of you with a bit of sexual innuendo once her defenses drop.

Good recovery on that 2nd kudos! looks like a little banter practice and it will be all home runs! lol

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The first one stopped messaging me, and the second never messaged me back after I tried for a number. I mean the second one through up a shield, but she wouldn't have kept messaging if she didn't wanna talk.

Wait a day or two and reopen with something like "____ ! Hey how are you?? Did you make it to your Man-hater Meeting on time? LOL"

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They call me the cat whisperer, cause I know exactly what the pussy needs.

First I will say I hate IM'ing for going from soup to nuts in getting a meet up. Is email not working for you?

Your game is fine but it uses way too canned and overused routines, I would assume if your using the dated material your getting called out a lot for using PUA stuff?

The only major mistake I see is your going right from light flirting and gaining initial curiosity (not attraction yet) from the girl to trying to get a meet up. I think you should build more attraction first, but then again IM's suck for that, and that's why I email.

The girl in the second chatlog seems to have uncharacteristically turned around, but you tried to close WAY too early, and in a very pickup-y seeming way. She basically accused you of "trying to seem like you're prince charming," which is her way of calling you less than genuine. For you to close this girl then you need to make her feel that you actually are genuine, and make her feel like you actually like her, without being supplicating.

Your number close seemed very very forced and fake. Read again what you're saying here. Essentially you said "you're mean, why are you being mean to me, so what makes you worth talking to, etc., ok here give me your phone number." It's completely unconvincing that you actually WANT her number for a good reasons. Although she apologized for being dismissive, you haven't yet associated yourself with positive emotions (humor, attraction, etc.) or convinced her that you like her or that she should like you. All you've done is essentially showed her that you are going to stand up for yourself, which is respectable/attractive but not a reason to get your phone number.

So, in short, banter more. Qualify. Convince her first that there's actually some connection or interest between the two of you, show her that there's a reason why you like her and want her phone number. Then go for the number. Otherwise your chatlog just reads like you're collecting numbers from non-ugly girls, which it essentially does.