I've never had a father, not even a father figure. I'm wondering if anyone else is in the same position.

I think that a father quite literally teaches the son how to be a man.

I'm just curious to know whether there are PUAs out there who had to deal with this additional obstacle.

I never had a Dad he refused to have anything to do with me and said if my mum had another kid it was her kid not his, then they got divorced and he went off around the world with work. So I would see him once every few years for a couple of days, then died last year but it's one of those things.

Look at it this way, we have the advantage of being raised by women so know them better and could choose our father figures from tv people and teachers etc. Also take a hold of your own life, if you don't realize you weren't taught and learn what will you teach your kids?

Would be interesting to hear form people with Dads if they actually taught them anything.

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If that were true, would I be here?

The game is my step dad. He's taught me more in the past 6 months than my real dad has taught me in 20 something years.

...and I still don't know how to tie a tie.

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My dad bailed when I was around 12. I'd say yeah, I feel cheated. It took me a long time to figure out exactly what I should be doing around women and how I should be progressing as a male.

I think after you get to a certain age you just start to realize what your role is as a male in society regardless of having a dad or not.

Probably the worst part about not having a Dad was how it left my Mom in total control of my teen years. She was super protective and we would always clash. I wasn't able take part in many risky and independent activities the other guys got to. Without a dad around there was no one to tell me Mom the chill out and let me grow up to not be a pussy.

I did have a dad for around 12 years though. When I was growing up I resented my dad and everything about his personality and activities. But now that I am older I find myself taking women to the same locations he showed me when I was young. Also, using a lot of his dick head AMOG personality traits that I hated.

Okay, now imagine TWO parents being super protective. Not only that, they were both antisocial. Throw "moving around a lot" into the mix and you have a good recipe for being a pussy.

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"A man is but the product of his thoughts, what he thinks, he becomes." - Mohandas Gandhi

are you describing yourself. .. in a way both of my parents are super protective. one isnt very social. the other is very social, or used to be very very when he was young. but is not overly protective... yeah.

I'm in a similar predicament, in that my Dad died when I was 12. After that i was raised by women (mum and older sister). I think there is a tendancy in men raised by women to fall into the nice-guy afc trap. Without a male influence to set a person straight it is very easy to become what women think they want.

Id also add, and I'd be interested if anyone has a counter example, that all the naturals I have ever met have been men who grew up around strong male influences ie. an alpha type father or lots of brothers.

Of course once we have the balancing influence of the game, there is no excuse to continue hiding in the old afc shell.

My father died from cancer when I was 9.

My mother is a paranoid schizo nutjob.



I've had to teach myself everything - literally. How to shave (only cut myself once my entire life), how to drive a car, how to talk to girls (REALLY bad at first), how to fight and not take shit from anyone.

I used to look at most people and envy them for having fathers. Since I've recently been giving my life a major overhaul, I instead see myself as the better one for being better than average despite having basically raised myself.

My dad is a NICE guy...so I was never taught either. Don't worry about it. Just be your OWN man from now on, k? -cshadyp

I was raised by my mom only. I grew up a great childhood but yea its definitely impacted my life. The community taught me a lot so far that i have missed... We're all fortunate to stumble upon this secrete world, we just have to actively practice what we learn and we can go beyond having a normal lifestyle... or so we're told.

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hey guys i wanted to throw in a different angle in on this. I grew up without a mother and my brother and I were raised by my dad. I went to an all male high school and now work in all male trrade. My father is a huge alpha male and because of this i beleive that being alpha came very naturaly to me although the social skills involved definitly didnt. These still had to be learned by trial and error.
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im in the EXACT same position as you are biz.

your not alone

I've been thinking a little more about this, after reading the responses. The father doesn't necessarily teach how to be a man but, more so, how to function in society. Who knows? Had I had a dad maybe he would have pushed me to approach girls or to make more friends. Only until recently, in college, have I realized that I can't live the rest of my life like this.

Looking back at my entire life now, all I see are wasted opportunities. I realize now that a lot of the things I did (getting amazing grades in school, religiously watching sports, watching seasons on tv) are all things which made things temporarily better but did nothing to cover up the sorry life that I was living.

I remember the last time I danced with a girl was when I was 12 at camp. The girl was a 10 and was laughing and smiling with me. I remember just ejecting from dancing with her because I was scared where this was going. I did not know what to do. Regardless, that was one of the best moments of my life (I know, pretty sad). I want that moment back. I want to start living.

My father came out when I was 18. He taught me a lot about being a good person, but needless to say very little about women. haha Confidence is a huge issue for a lot of guys who have great male role models too. It's your life not your father's so own it.

my dad left when i was 6. he taught me 3 things about women though that i'll never forget...

#1 the woman is like your prey and you have to be a tiger and you have to hunt her.

#2 Sometimes you have to eat the pussy.

#3 Women are crazy. even when they are wrong its better to let them think they are right. you should never fall in love


this advice has lasted me 15 years and i've never once been able to say it was bad advice.

p.s. me and my dad are finally starting to communicate again. My mom says that im the EXACT same man he is and hell fuckin yeah i hated not having him around. Its only now that i realize how much i could have learned earlier in life. But like they say "the harder the lesson is to learn, the more valuable it becomes" all the shit i had to figure out on my own, now i'll never forget and i'll never wonder why I needed to know it in the first place.