Do you guys go to bars/nightclubs alone or with others? It's easier to go with friends or better yet, a wingman, but I don't know anyone in the city yet who I'd actually be able to hang out with (aside from that girl I gamed over a week ago that I mentioned in my other thread, but I don't want to be clinging to her, besides I think she's mad at me now for too much neg-hitting).

The thing is, I don't know how awkward it would be to be alone at the bar trying to talk to sets. I'm also afraid of going to social places by myself, especially places that I go to for sole purpose to meet people (like bars). I have no problem going to those places if I have another motive (working out at the gym, shopping, etc.), but even going to a park or a bookstore alone gives me uneasy feeling.

Should I try going to the bars alone anyway or try to get rid of my anxiety first by going to parks and bookstores? Is it even a good idea to go to bars alone, or is it one of the areas where I'd need a wingman at all times?

heres how i see it
good points
- less intimdating to the set
- if ur with others that dnt know game then they can inadvertantley amog you.
- if your games good then YOU hold the entire attention, increasing your chances of success.
- you can use the fact ur alon as a FTC "im jus waitin for my friend to arrive he's here in about 15minutes, do you mind if i sit with you people, you look interesting"
- too appraoch mixed girls by yourself portrays alot of confidence in itself.

bad points
- if its a large set 4-5 an one girl dosnt like you its hard to still run ur game, without her muscling you out.
- if u begin to struggle theres no1 there who can pick up the slack an help you out.

its good but more funif you can share the experience.
hope that helped abit
-peace-

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I totally see where your coming from with regards to doing it solo, but if your out sarging anyway your mates are only gonna slow you down, especially if they are serious AFC's.

I dont go alone alot but i have in the past and I just tell girls (when they ask, and they will) where my mates are, i say one has gone to the bank to get money or im meeting them here later, that way if your in a set you dont need to explain till the close that your Asshole of a mate didnt show...... this also helps.....

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Either way is fine, I go out alone alot and usually have the same rate of success as going out with a group. If you don't have social proof when you go out, you can ALWAYS CREATE IT.

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The only thing I have to point out is that if you do use a line like "I'm waiting for my friend, he should be here anytime." you really should have a friend coming. Arrive earlier than your buddies and it would work. Otherwise it will look like you're friend just flaked on you.

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Could you almost work the flakey friend into your game your trying to work? Or would that turn on you and the target your after only talk and stay with you because of sympothy. I would almost myself go with the plan of getting there early before your friends do and use the line of " im waiting here for my friends to show up" so then they arrive and you have given yourself a set time. Which this could play into a cat string effect if things are going well.

I live a few miles from my local town so I just said that I'd just missed my buss and decided to get a beer to kill time before the next. which as it wasnt a lie if anything happend you just offer to pay for a taxi

who cares what she thinks about you being out alone, dude. get over it. tell her that you're out alone tonight and say it with conviction. you make the rules. if you let on that it's something that embarrasses you, or makes you uncomfortable--guess what? she will be embarrassed for you and feel uncomfortable around you. it's all in your mind. if you see yourself as the man, you are the man. you'll exute it. i know this sounds like easier said than done, but there are no shortcuts here.

initially, i understand how someone might feel like they shouldn't be at a bar, especially if they have that fish out of water feeling. but the reality is, bars are where hot chicks are. so that's where you have to be. you don't even have to drink. if anyone thinks that's weird, call them on it. more often than not, they're acting like they have to drink/be slutty/act like a bimbo blah blah to be 'in' or whatever. you will attract what you're looking for. if you're not willing to go out to these night venues, you're only other options are: online dating, supermarkets (i can understand striking up a conversation with a nice chick while shopping, but to go there and pretend to shop in the hopes of picking up girls--i don't know--i feel like you're time may be better spent elsehwhere), and other hit or miss day spots, of course, if you live in the city, these day spots can be seriously worthwhile--in the suburbs not so much. i'd say go to bars--and hit up day spots. but do go to bars because it's like boot camp and it will toughen you up.

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like to 'communicate' with women.

actually i would say No for Bars, Yes for busy clubs, Yes for Malls, yes for day time places!

why not Bars? Coz relatively in a Bar environment is about light music and people talking to each other and simple a person can easily scan the bar and notice everybody around specially if they are not busy enough, and you will be known to be by yourself, then you can not put time constrains, in other words you will look apparently available that will lower your chances! Not mentioning that it’s difficult to entertain yourself by yourself and show that you already having a good time!

if you have to be alone, just be in places that it's normal to be alone at, a park, bookstore, shopping mall, or places that it's difficult for them to know if you are alone or not, just like busy clubs!


work hard on getting a wingman or at least friends from the same life style!

good luck!
Mechanical

If your out by yourself, just say that your freinds let you down(watch movie with GF, sick, not in the mood etc..). This will say to the women that YOU are diffrent and that YOU are willing. This also shows that you are confident. Women like it.

Hitting the bar alone is ok. I would use the line of "Popped in for a drink before I meet some mates later" No need to worry about them asking you where your friend is and it sets up a scarcity. You are only going to be in the bar for 15-20 minutes and if they are going to engage you they HAVE to answer NOW. Plus it keeps you from deviating - you put yourself on an artificial timer . Get in - hit the 3 second rule and get out.

The drawback is it's harder to make yourself stand out alone - to come in and "be somebody". That's what they are looking for - the alpha.

I have 1 bar I go to alone on a regular basis. I walk in and the bartender always makes a big deal about me being there (tipping well is easy way to get that kind of SPAM). I come in like that and people notice that I must be someone to get the bartender to move away from the group she/he was talking to and take care of me.

For instance - last night I walk in - my bartender is between 2 AFC's and they are working her Night at the Roxberry style. Have her sandwiched between themselves. She immediately breaks off and welcomes me and I go to immediate KINO (heavy) not so much to work her but to put the AFC's in their place.

I have immediately become the alpha in the bar to the AFC and to every woman there as I am someone the hot bartender wanted to see.

AFC came over and asked (loudly) who I was and if I had ever been there before - response "First time I have ever been here" Put him in his place and raised my intrigue level with the other females there.

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I got to get into this dude's pelt and crawl around for a few days. Who's the gopher's ally? His friends. The harmless squirrel and the friendly rabbit.

[quote="duck"]Hitting the bar alone is ok. I would use the line of "Popped in for a drink before I meet some mates later" No need to worry about them asking you where your friend is and it sets up a scarcity. You are only going to be in the bar for 15-20 minutes and if they are going to engage you they HAVE to answer NOW. Plus it keeps you from deviating - you put yourself on an artificial timer . Get in - hit the 3 second rule and get out.

The drawback is it's harder to make yourself stand out alone - to come in and "be somebody". That's what they are looking for - the alpha.

I have 1 bar I go to alone on a regular basis. I walk in and the bartender always makes a big deal about me being there (tipping well is easy way to get that kind of SPAM). I come in like that and people notice that I must be someone to get the bartender to move away from the group she/he was talking to and take care of me.

For instance - last night I walk in - my bartender is between 2 AFC's and they are working her [i]Night at the Roxberry[/i] style. Have her sandwiched between themselves. She immediately breaks off and welcomes me and I go to immediate KINO (heavy) not so much to work her but to put the AFC's in their place.

I have immediately become the alpha in the bar to the AFC and to every woman there as I am someone the hot bartender wanted to see.

AFC came over and asked (loudly) who I was and if I had ever been there before - response "First time I have ever been here" Put him in his place and raised my intrigue level with the other females there.[/quote]
Woah, smooth

Later that evening I noticed some mistakes by 3 guys. (the more you pay attention to people the easier they are to spot)

Late evening say 1200. 3 guys come in - obviously on the prowl. College is starting up and I could tell they were not local.

All 3 were wearing suits - no tie. That made them stand out (kind of they were trying).

Problem is this bar had very low number of women in it so those 3 all were trying their game on the same 2 ladies (hb8's).

Mistake number 1. The suits did not fit well and one was really out of style.
Guy was wearing a navy suit with brass buttons - give it back to the ship boat captain and spend a little time at Kenneth Cole. They were NOT going for quirky but Yuppie and it didn't work. If you try to look upscale - make sure the cuffs of your sleeves don't come up to the 2nd knuckle of your finger - make sure the suit fits! Conservative can be contemporary.

Mistake number 2. They were all using the same canned opener. Might work on a busy night when there is 200 people in the bar or 300 in a club - but when the scene is dead - 3 guys using the same exact material on the same 2 girls - even if they never read The Game (guys were using exact quotes) that pattern is obvious.

I attribute their failure in number 2 to rote memorization - it isn't a checklist or recipe for making a cake - learn why the lines work - the underlying psychology and then you can improvise - which is what those 3 needed to do badly.

Mistake number 3. All 3 suits were basically the same color. They all looked the same - how is she going to clue in on you if you are in essence wearing camoflauge?

Just some observations.

To clear this up - this bar is my drinking bar - I go there to drink not pick up women. But if a particularly good looking one is there - I'll work but not usually.

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I got to get into this dude's pelt and crawl around for a few days. Who's the gopher's ally? His friends. The harmless squirrel and the friendly rabbit.

Hmmm...what message should you send out with your clothes if you're on your own, as opposed to being with a group? Any difference?

Alone - doesn't matter so much. Neatly groomed and clean.

Group - like I said - make sure you don't all show up wearing the same thing. cliche amongst women but true.

I tend to wear the same stuff regardless - my group and I dress differently if someone is wearing jean - I go shorts esp if its winter and 10 degrees outside - remember you stick out then. Peacock doesn't have to be gaudy - just different.

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I got to get into this dude's pelt and crawl around for a few days. Who's the gopher's ally? His friends. The harmless squirrel and the friendly rabbit.