ok I can open pretty well, I rehearse all my openers, and can say them perfectly and naturally with a gun pointed to my head

but once im in a set, I am scared shitless, nothing I do seems natural, but i know it has to be done from a logical standpoint so i do it. I am the perfect example of how style so lovingly puts it a "social robot", when im in a set Im pannicking the entire time and have no idea how to move beyond small talk.

typical set for me

me: open
them: respond
me: body rock but then ask "how do yall know each other"
them: respond "welll we all go to eastern but this girl here goes to western, we all wetn to high school together though"
me: have no clue how to use those hooks to continue conversation because im freaking out on the inside



any suggestions?

I'm like you I could memorize and recite pretty much every opener that I've ever heard. I could remember the steps and phases to the Mystery Method. Like you once I got in set I was a big of shit. I would freeze up shortly after opening get a good response and then eject because I was locking up. All I can suggest is to try and plow through it and open more. The more you are in front of women the more comfortable you will eventually become, and the better you will do. After a while, it'll "click" for you and you'll be the man!

KEEP GETTING OUT THERE!

_________________
Been around the world twice, Talked to everyone once...

hey hey, i have the same problem.

the problem is that you need to learn how to expand on your conversations.
in you case, you could talk about what school you go to, what grades their in, ect. you pick off of the main points in your conversation and expand them.

as for the nervousness, only increasing exposure to approaching people will get rid of the nervousness. take a second or two to calm yourself right before you enter the set. you never want to be caught offguard when you enter, it only adds to the tension. I dont care how much lines you recite or how good your mindset is, the only way to improve is to practice the real thing. having the right mindset and how much you go over the procedure, will only benefit you a little bit. it is pointless to use these if youre scared shitless because you dont remember what you practice recited.

thanks I appreciate the responses

You haven't overcame anything if your still scared shitless. Your inner game is weak.

Don't try to overcome fear... just simply have no fears. It's amazing because even though you have nothing to lose you are suffering from fear of loss. Only when you understand that there is no loss in being turned down by a woman...you have everything to gain but nothing to lose. When you truely accept this you can be approach anxiety free.


"When you win, look like you've done it before... when you lose look like you enjoy it"

_________________
Hot Peacocking Jewelry
www.Magnyta.com

I disagree here virtuosity. Courage is determination in the face of fear. Through courage we gain strength. With strength we overcome adversity. Once we do that, we free ourselves from the chains that bind us.

It is impossible not to have fears or anxiety at one time or another as a human being. Accept it, then go out and do everything you want and need to do despite it. With time and repetition, you will see that you fears are unfounded, and they will lose their power over you. I do agree with not placing too much emphasis on being rejected.

As a PUA guru once said,

What I resist persists, what I accept will empower me.

_________________
afc-challenge-to-the-masters-social-anx ... 10108.html

We tend to under estimate the power of the phrase " practice makes perfect"... its true...memorize you openers..and memorize an A2 piece to go from there..and open as many sets as you can and go right into A2.if you freeze up then say " got to get back to my friends .. nice talking to you" and go.No one is prosecuting you for it...then go into anothr set and do the same..the more you do it the more sets you have been in which will make your socially used to be in an environment with girls...when you used to it you wont freeze as much..

if you forget what to say after opening try this... (ONLY IN DAY GAME) what you name? Her : tamy ... you " T-a-m-m-y (spell it out to her) .. her: No , one M... you : OH MY GOD i cant believe what you porn star name is

when you use the porn star name gambit its the best emptiest routine for not knowing what to say because she end up responding to bullshit and it gives you time to think and throw something back

you : you know what your porno name would be
her : no
you: k its first pet name and street you grew up on
then you go from there..if she gives you name you can neg her
if she says she never had pet you can also neg like say : " HA HA .. interesting.. you never had a pet...thats like i want to be rich but dont have money"

she will staert agreeing with you and conversation will continue without you noticing your stuck

I don't know about other women, but if someone gave me the pornstar line, I would think that he was a tool. No offense, Complex. I'm sure you're a very interesting guy, but I would never realize that because I'd be walking away from you before you could finish your opener.

For Mr. Shy Guy, I would suggest simply talking to her like you would talk to anyone: start with the basics if you're nervous, like where is she from, what does she study, and really try to listen to what she says. Then, for example, if you find out you have something in common, you can mention it, and the conversation will take a new turn. What do you talk about with your friends? Coworkers? Strangers at a bus stop? It's the same at a party. Many girls I know will just chat casually with guys like they would their friends, and will chat with guys they're not interested in just to be nice, so you need not fear rejection.

The most important part: if she thinks you're hot and she's worth your time, she's not going to walk away after one or two blunders on your part. If you freeze up, she'll still be waiting if she wants to get together with you. So imagine that you really just enjoy talking to her, and the conversation will come naturally. If she senses that you're relaxed and honest, you'll have no problem, regardless of what you say (as long as it's not too crude). If you try to put up a front, and you do manage to score with her, it won't be fun for you, because you won't feel open and comfortable around her anyway.

Sorry,lol...I guess we share different views on the idea of "pickup" porn star line is not neccesary...its part of the push/pull and can only be used at day game..there other routines aside from porn star gambit...but he cant start asking where she is from and all that because he has not built any attraction with her..she would not care where hes from first minute into talking to her...he needs to demonstrate something to her first in order for her to be attracted to him..then when she is he can comfortly go into the whole "where you from".... conversation.
Im not saying the porn start gambit is neccesary as there are many others..but its a possible choice

You have a point, complex. But a girl often finds a guy attractive just by the way he looks and by his body languages, things that are demonstrated before any openers.

Also, somtimes girls just talk to have a conversation and they're not even thinking about whether or not they'll bone their conversation partner. So building attraction at the very beginning is very helpful but not necessary.

FEMALE FRIEND .. you are right in a way..
but then think about those girl who are not attracted instantly to a guy because hes not good loooking , or good dresser , or is too tall or too short .. or has some other imperfection...Sometimes he needs to build attraction...

yes , there are guys that do not have to do it because they display and alpha factor of themselves that triggers one attractio switch out of 3 to women...but some guys dont have the best of luck of coming up to the most beutiful girl in the club and come off attracting..so they have to rely on this pick up game...

lol..btw...if you dont mind me asking..where are you from?
I never seen a female pick up artist befoer..kind of cool : )

You do well in the first few seconds because it's an automated process in your mind and body. Then, it doesn't work because...you have an infinite possibilities...and emotionally your inner game is not prepared for something like this yet.
This is true, but it is the hard way to do it. It's like faking until you make it. It's too slow but it takes too much.

This is a bad belief to have...Are you sure that this is the only way?
By having this belief, you automatically ignore all the other possibilities.
The rest is good advice.

I think you are talking about the emotional understanding then this is really true.

_________________
Reduce Approach Anxiety with "joye pete technique"