Hi, just chiming in with a little phenomenon that has irritated me for the past 5 years or so. Been noticing as I get older that women tend to be erratic in their sexual selection criteria in general. Before joining the military I was a bit over weight, poor as shit, to myself, and a bunch of other things. I noticed that older women would be more open or I should say more intent on showing me attention for some reason. I mean women in the early 40, 50, and so on. This was erratic at best meaning this wasn't something that was a constant every day thing but those were the women I realized would compliment me on my looks or some other mess. these were Grandmothers or just milfs in the mid 50's or some shit and all I was doing was giving them good customer service or helping them with something. There was no flirting or any other mess I could perceive.

The strangest thing to me as I observe myself is that I have almost no game except for knowing it through books, videos, and basic information gathering on the topic but for some reason I can act like the man who gets chicks with these older women because I have absolutely no attraction to them at all. I make them laugh, im outgoing, witty, I bust their chops(which I notice always makes them laugh) but with regular women who are young, datable, attractive, etc., I turn into this robot. I can never turn this off or switch this for some reason and I don't know why.

ive been trying to understand this and I figured its a mental block of some sort and I want to resolve this. Older women of this sort disgust the shit out of me due to the sheer arrogance they have as far as their value and attractiveness is concerned and the fact I can talk to these lower class of women the way I want to interact with, connect, and date younger more viable women is just pissing me off.

Grab your balls and meet women IRL. Get your ass rejected and analyze your results as you go.

Or don't and always wonder, 'what if.'

It's your decision.
That is because you are not in the game, putting your ass on the line to get rejected. Read what I said above.

As far as I can tell you are hiding behind unsubstantiated excuses as a means of your ego protecting itself. Either you will see this for what it is and HAPPILY AND JOYFULLY "risk" "rejection" all day every day, or you will continue as you have been.

Quite frankly I don't care which way you go I am only trying to steer you in the direction that will benefit you.

But if you are like 97% of the guys out in the world you will take the path of LEAST RESISTANCE. That means you will step back and allow your ego win (because your ego feels like 'you') by allowing it to convince you to be offended by what I have wrote, blow off my comments, and continue with the exact same mind state you posted above, yet even further emboldened.

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I think oceanx's response is just mean and hostile, I must say.

But the truth is you like younger girls and that's what you're afraid of.

Not saying it is easy. But just go up to a girl and say "You know I like you. Right.?" without as much as a question mark, really.

Just risk the embarassment. Just tell them, one, two, three, what is so.

The plain and simple truth. That .. you .. like .. a .. girl.

Just tell her that you like her and see what happens.

I just remember one time when I took the advice of the PUAS and just told some girl in a store that she was hot or something like that. She laughed or smirked disdainfully at me. And it was not really embarrassing. And I know her respect of me was gained. Yes she laughed at me in the sense of "like, you???". And it was NOT embarassing. Just go up to some girl or even just walk past her, some girl that you think is out of your league and say something like that to her.

You lose nothing by saying it except a moment that would otherwise be wasted.

Say it especially to the girls who seem out of your league. It doesn't mean much then (to you) (cause you don't really like the girl all that much) and it still rids you of shame. Next time you do it, you will laugh about it more. And eventually the outofyourleaguegirls don't scare you anymore, you know they're just something. Average. In a sense.

I'm just terribly annoyed by the fact that I care so much about each individual girl and then I screw up as much also. And that I then want to fix the relationship with that one girl. Or all of them really. Like you could say they are a caroussel in my mind . In a way. Not that stringent.

But risk just saying what is true. The simple things. The really simple things. And see what happens. Maybe you're "found out". Maybe it will be a nice feeling.

I inferred from the original post that he was not out there in the field speaking with the women he desired, and was merely tough loving him to speak to said women. Dragula's post above sums up the intent.

Yeah but often times a person is already being hard on himself and being more pushy doesn't accomplish much. Sometimes you also need to hear that you're doing well, instead of only that you're not doing well.

In Dutch that "grab your balls" is often said like "You need a kick beneath your butt" and it never accomplishes anything as far as I have ever been able to witness. Telling people to be tough on themselves, I've just never seen it working before. You like need a certain amount of lenience and faith in yourself before you can do that again.

You can hear negative crap from anyone you know and usually people assimilate it as well. So not only do other people think you suck, now you think yourself that you suck as well.

Sorry I can't write better than this, got visitors. And from this "I suck" you can never have success. You need to think you are doing well in some way before you can tap into success.

Because that is confidence really: believing you are doing well, or having faith that you are making the right moves or that your intuition or intelligence is up to the task, irrespective of what the external world might be showing or telling you.

You have to be willing to not believe what is happening and to reframe your failures into successes, to put it in PUA lingo. As long as you feel strong about yourself you can become stronger, but feeling weak and then trying to be strong, that doesn't work. Then you first need to let go of the weakness or let it out.

So words of compliment or complimentary words are necessary to prime someone for more "course of action".

Cause otherwise you just stay stuck in a "I can't do it" mode. You need some love. Not "tough love". Just love. Tough love in this case is not love. It is just hate.

Like, trust me, I live in an environment where I've had nothing but "tough love" especially from my "manly parent" and it never done anything for me. Nothing at all. Only contra-productive.

When I was at home crying or even telling about some kids that were stronger than me and that had been mean, all he would say is "then just hit back". I could never. It was just stupid. It was "irrespective" of who I was. It made no sense. Anyone with a slightest sense of wisdom would see that that was the wrong approach, that failure was or would be guaranteed. You tell a 8 year old or younger kid who's crying that he needs to hit back against guys who are all stronger. Not the greatest approach to teach or train a child to not feel bad about some things. I just don't work.

You know, you are allowed to make a person feel good about himself as well. (Again, quick writhing this).

Regards.

Lol my original posting above was positively dainty compared to some of the advice offered by peeps here. Enjoy your day.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

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Meh, I don't know. Some of the advice is not particular to the current problem. I talked to a friend of mine and he says you need to not be so choosy. I mean i get the looks at random times when I'm not my best so i don't get it. What really erks me is that i cannot get the type of response from women i like or are attracted to but for some reason women who are like almost twice my age, extremely fat, with kids and an attitude, or ratchet as fuck.

My friend is like you need to date one of these chicks to get some confidence so women you are trying to approach and date can sense it. If this is true why is this process so fucking stupid?

The process is not stupid just because you don't understand it;

I second the other advice in this thread, another way of saying it is that you need to desensitize yourself to young women - and the only way to do it is thru exp with them.

The only way that I got to the point to which I don't crumble in front of a girl that looks good is that I've gone out with many of them; I've been with those girls trying to become models; the stripers/dancers that "look" perfect on camera, etc.

Just as people pointed out, they have just as many flaws as the rest of us. If you spend enough time with other people, you will notice that they still have image issues, their assholes still stink (I literally smelled the ass of an attractive striper in a strip club a few months ago and I can assure you it smelt like an asshole, not flowers) and I've dealt with the wanna-be model who's so closed minded and bitchy you would rather be without them. It's the realization that no one is perfect, that will fix your problem. That woman that looks like a model on camera? Guess what? She still notices her body is not perfect, she probably has no money, and is not as far in her career or as smart as the next model.

The only problem is my words here will do little to impact your psyche, or anyone elses; you have to exp it yourself to turn off that maddening switch.

I am thankful to the higher power I turned that switch off, because it will drive you nuts until you do.

Quit being so angry and judgmental, OP. Old women are cool. They were young once. Hell, random old women gush over me and call me handsome. I appreciate it. They know the art of flirting. Nowadays, most guys flirt in hopes of getting laid. They come on too strong. Often as pushy, creepy and beta.

You're probably experiencing success with older women because you don't want to have sex with them. I bet you have good body language. They're approaching you for assistance at your work and you're helping them. Because of this you're not the one who is needy. You're helping them and it's not outcome-oriented. Women sense these things - whether young or old. The old women see you're being friendly and dig it.

I have a friend who works retail and the same thing happens to him. He gets a much better response from women of all ages - even if he approaches them and asks them if they need help.

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You are correct in stating i dont want sex from them. That is the truth. You are not at all in the ball park regarding my job and the women there. Im military and civilains, present posters on here not included, are pieces of shit and treat soldiers like shit, especially male soldiers. They are generally caniving, backstabbing, bitchy, and petulent individuals and get away with shit because they work under a contract. But that is neither here or there.

You are right regarding older women if there is extended contact. the thing is it happens in situations where im trying to get things done. ill be picking up medical stuff from the UPS spot, going shopping for healthy food, or in a medical theme store and its these type of women that seem to be more open to me(with me being oblivious to what makes these situations different vs when im around younger women i am actually attracted to). The second part of this is in passing(taking a flight, Bus ride, etc) and These type of women (ugly, fat, disgusting) glaring at me like i did something. Its one of those things where its not about choice anymore and everything ive been told about the "Game" has been wrong. Granted, i lost weight and my looks change but i cant even go through the "process" with regular girls and i dont know why.

Again, you are not speaking with women who you desire and putting your ass on the line to get rejected. It's like a tennis player commenting that he hasn't won any matches when he hasn't bought a tennis racket yet.

Actually the problem is i AM talking to women that i do desire or want to date. Regardless of my level of "game" on the subject, its a matter of how the process works. From being at work, at school, in a club/lounge/bar, or just at a public event, ill do the approaching or whatever and the process i uses doesnt work.

Then when i am NOT "in-state" or objectively going out to mingle or do whatever, that is when these ugly, old, disgusting looking women glare and stare at me. Its like at my best this is what is attracted to me. women past their 50s with rainbow colored hair looking like a crackhead(im dead fucking series, this happened to me at a GNC), Ugly....UGLY fucking chicks, Fat chicks(i dont do that anymore, i dont have a fetish for that shit anymore), or just plain old women.

Who cares about the undesirable women man. Pay no mind to their reactions to you.

You talk a lot about the "looks" you are getting and this leads me to feel that you are not having the # of actual one on one interactions with women that can lead you to an accurate analysis of where things need to improve.

Get out there, fall on your ass and keep modifying your approaches until you get the results you want.

If you ask more specific questions here about exactly how your approaches are going sour or not working - such as the typical approach and how it goes and what the woman's reaction is - we will be able to guide you to the right directions.

Also it would be of benefit to you if you were to re-read the post above by masterm1ne on a few occasions.