I've noticed that there are an increasing number of guys getting into the community. Many of which are ravaged by AA. Also alot of these new guys are young high school kids. Most of which due to the constant mind-set of a lack of self-confidence and esteem need to learn this.

The concept I'm going to present is a base to start of with. Almost everyone who has got into pick-up has had AA and it takes awhile to get over it. So, I'm presenting you new guys with a guide to "Frame Control".

First of all; frame control is the idea that you control your own state of mind and that of the group you are in. This is a key benchmark in pick-up no matter what method you use. If you don't have frame control you will be thrown aside and discarded by females and males alike.

What I now present to you are the ailments of a lack of frame control, and some ways to rid yourself of them.

Social Shyness - the lack of self-confidence in social situations.
Social shyness is is debilating thought process. Many men possess this due to lack of socialization with people. To those of you that are beaten by social shyness, there is hope. To become a more social person, look at what you do in your free time. Are you a keyboard-jocky? A momma's boy who stays at home? Do you do anything fun outside of your home? If you fall into any of these categories, then something has to change. Take up active hobbies or group based activities. Take up surfing, snowboarding, inter-mural sports, skiing; basically anything that gets you out of the house. Activities that put you in situations to be around other people and socialize. Humans by nature are social, just because you haven't lead a social life up to now doesn't mean you can't change. Once you develop a more fun and active lifestyle you then can proceed to work on your inner-game.

Inner-Game - the mindset of believe you are a cool fun person and are deserving of other people's attention, mastery of the self. Inner-game is a major need to be successful in pick-up, and life for that matter. To master yourself and become confident takes a few different concepts to master.

The first part of inner-game is your self-confidence. Do you believe you are worth a woman's time? If you don't then listen up. There are a few different ways to address the need to gain more self-confidence. If you have already created a more social and active lifestyle this will be alot easier. Many guys on this website will tell you that self-confidence can be gained through trial & error. Others will say that you should just walk around town for a few weeks wearing abnormal clothing - a poncho and a hockey masked with a dildo attached to it. There is also the self-confidence building programs such as; Ross Jefferies'-Unstoppable Confidence, Hypnotica's Collection of Confidence, and David DeAngelo's Deep Inner Game. All of these are legitamite ways of developing self-confidence. You must find what works for you. What ever way you choose, is doesn't realy matter. But you need the self-confince to get anywhere with women. As David DeAngelo put it; [b]"Evict your inner wussy". [/b] After you have destroyed your low self-confidence its time to exam your AA.

AA ( Aproach Anxiety) - the anxiety that one has before opening a set. Everyone has this, even MPUAs have it, its human nature to possess a level of anxiety before talking to someone you don't know. Once you have a sense of self-confidence this concept should be easy to deal with. FUCK THE VOICE IN YOUR HEAD, GO UP IN SAY SOMETHING. DON'T THINK JUST ACT. The more time you spend thinking about an approach, the more you are fucking up. Just do it. If you have the self-confidence, then the only way to break your AA is through continious approachs. Practice makes perfect. There is no such thing as the perfect opener. Walk up and say one of the openers you prepared for the night. Simple. There is only one more major hurdle you must overcome to have great game.

Control the Set - being able to control the mindset and path of conversation in a set. This is where the crutch of canned-material hurts you. Canned-material is a great way to get quick attention and DHV. However, if you are in sets and once you have done your routines, and your mind runs blank, you are screwed. The only way to break this is to become a good conversationalist. If you are limited to your canned-material you are just a social-robot. This is a very bad state of mind. To better conversational skills be up to date on cultural and social knowledge. Be able to talk about stupid shit like whats going on in Hollywood. Anything, is better than silence. Also by showing that you are knowledgable about worldy events you are DHVing. All of the above concepts and ideas compiled together create Frame Control.

"You are a master in your own world, or a slave in society's"

This is my personal quote. It covers the whole scope of frame control. If you can't master yourself then you will never achieve anything with women and/or in life. These concepts above do not just pertain to pick-up. By having an active lifestyle, you are a more healthy person. You have fun things to do, and places to bring girls for adventorous dates. By having self-confidence and being a conversationalist you are improving your work life. You will be able to deal with people in the work environment on a much higher level.

In closing, I hope all who read this for can take something away from it. I also would like to extend my services to all of you out there who want help with frame control. If you have any questions or concerns about what you are doing now in your life, feel free to PM me here on the site, or IM me on AIM. I have a link to my AIM on the site.

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Good post, but it would be more helpful to others if the questions were asked on here, instead of in private, unless they are personal questions.

Right on.

All questions be directed to this thread. If its a special case that needs a discussion, I can do IM conversations. I will just save the conversations and post them here.

I find frame control to be one of the most fascinating parts of PUA theory. It's pretty much the bed rock of the sales trainings I present and is the 'google' search that lead me to this forum. If anyone here is interested I would like to explore frame control in some more depth. This seems like a great post to get the conversation started in.

I'm going to start with some of the stuff that Nuked brought up:
I'm going to go into the philosophy and theory a bit here- if that's not your thing you might was well move on to another post. Nuked gave the idea of frame control- but we still don't really have a good concept what a frame is or what control is. Nuked then gets into a few things that get in they way of frame control, and how to overcome them and then into controlling the set- which is more or less what is meant by controlling the frame. I like that Nuked has pointed out that inner game is the first step to frame control and I agree completely. If anyone else here is interested I'd like to focus back on frame control and try and really put together a theoretical basis of this concept.

I'm going to start with a few examples of what I think frame control is. The first example is that your in a bar and your talking with a group of people you just meet. If your controlling the frame you are more or less controlling the conversation- you are the center of conversation- when other people are talking they are talking about subjects that you brought up- if new subjects of conversation come up you spin those subjects back towards something that relates to you or your agenda. Another example might be that your at lunch with a client and they are asking you questions about your company that may expose weakness- if you can steer the dialog towards the strengths of your company this would be an example of frame control.

So, what do we really mean by a frame? Just as we have inner game and outer game I like to think of the frame from both a 'set' and 'setting' prospective. What I mean by 'set' here is different then they way it is used in PUA writing- what I'm talking about is mind set- your own prospective. As Nuked was saying- your in control of your state of mind- For example if you start talking to some girl at a bar and she blows you off- shit, that's her loss! You might feel upset or angry about her not validating your ego or you might feel discouraged from approaching other girls or you might get a laugh out of it and maybe even feel bad for her passing up the amazing opportunity to get to know someone like your self. As cheesy as it sounds, each of these emotional states are in your hands. You get to choose your emotional reaction to a situation. It may feel like you are subject to your emotions and that they control you, but this is sort of a trick that your mind plays on you (it would be interesting to explore why our minds tricks us in to thinking emotion in not within our own control- subject for another rant I guess). The point is that you are in control of your own emotional reactions. Some people will say that your emotional reaction will happen before your logical reaction to a situation and I really don't wish to get into this debate- if you believe this that's fine- just let your emotions happen but as the rise within you let them go just ask quickly as they come. If your having trouble with this make a point of experiencing these emotions and learn how to control them- take a trip to some city you have never been to and will never return to and experiment there- approach everyone and expect to get rejected- make an effort to get rejected as much as possible, just to get over your fear of it.

I guess this is where I would go off on 'setting' and how your location and what your doing is another aspect of the frame- but I'm not sure if anyone on this board is really that heavy into theory... Does anyone else have thoughts on frame control? Examples of frame control or a good definition or theory of what frame control is?

Here's an example of my frame.

I've been talking to a girl. She's British, blonde 8. So far everything was going great. But then she went all bipolar on my ass. Told me to fuck off cause she was in a shitty mood. I was really into this girl. Still however, I said fuck her to myself. I'm already involved with another girl, I switched to this other girl in 10 minutes to. I could careless, that some chick went psycho. I just turn my attention elsewhere.

When I have more time, I'm going to write more about frame control. The above post was an intro. I plan to expand this to a full fledged guide.

Excellent! I think dialog is a great way to get ideas flushed out- let's bounce some ideas around regarding frame control- it's really at the heart of what I do every day.

My frame is my reality is what I want to happen and will make happen within my sphere of influence.

Example:
I opened a girl in my club that I knew didn't like me. But she's cute. She was at the bar, so I walked up, opened her, she gave me a slight scowl, didn't say anything, but she didn't need to. I immediately turned around with a cocky smile on my face and looked at a set of several girls away from the bar. They are all throwing IOI's my way, because I had the guts to walk up to this cute girl at the bar and open her. They had no idea what the interaction was, how it started or ended. They just saw that I was there with her, period. So, in their minds, I'm preselected and proofed already. That's my frame, now I can take it to whatever set I want. I'm preselected and social proofed. I'm desirable. They want to know me.

Addition to my example.

British girl messeges me on AIM. Normally I didn't know she had an AIM we talked on MSN. She realizes its me. I said " So you missed me after all ". She said yes, and that she was sorry for being a bitch. She gave into my frame. Now we are talking again. To bad she's already been replaced. But I'll keep my options open

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frame to me is the reality that you set forth. When two people have a convo, their frames are challenged, with the weaker frame being consumed by the stronger one. With me, I have a constant strong frame and I know that I am the prize. Women will pick up on this and accept it as truth. I will expand more in detail if someone wants.

A lot of great thoughts. However, I find it difficult to use "emotional" means to correct "emotional" problems. Meaning you can't just tell a unhappy guy, "be happy now!" So here's something you can try that's a simple "physical" act.

The costume ball . . . and the common day halloween party.

These costume parties were big hits all over the World in many different cultures because it allowed people to shed a bit of their cultural norms and become somebody different for one night. Remember your last halloween party? Sure, everybody knows who you are but you're free to act silly, different and crazy because in effect, you transfer the consequences of your social behavior to thye crazy costume party and YOUR costume. This is a great way to re-frame yourself.

Now I'm not suggesting you guys go out with these wild costumes(although this is what those heavily peacocked guys do every night) but you can pick a motif for the night. Pick a movie star or a TV star that you're fond of and go out and just run it. The voice, the jokes. Pretend you're him. You're a different person. It's just like when you used to mess around with your friends when you were little and played make belief you were Darth Vadar or whatever. (Although for this, it's better to pick a Hollywood lead man or something) You'll get a laugh or two and once you open a set, you can confidently move on with your own voice.

A few days ago, I opened up an entire club using a . . . em . . certain voice. I was very forward with every set. For some reason, I just felt like continuing with it so I did . . . (believe me, my make-believe voice is really not that great) but it doesn't matter. Everybody just went along with it. Now the final girl. . . oh yes, this is after an hour of holding hands, knees, rubbing, kissing . . . turned and asked, "Is that your real voice? Do you really talk like that?" and I cleared my throat in my regular voice, "No not at all, are you crazy? Who really talks like a farm animal?" She laughed, laughed, laughed, and went right back to getting to know each other better.