I seem to have fallen into a black hole, ive read reserached and looked into gaming for about 3 years on and off, but all i seem to do out in the field is know what not to say.

all i hear in my head when i'm out is 'never say this!' or 'dont say that!' or 'why did you say that!'

i'm trapped and need help! lol

i can see AFC's doing things that you'd only notice were AFC if you know abit about gaming and stand there thinking wtf lol that was embarassing i wouldnt do or say that.

So what do i do? for fear of being like them i do nothing and thus end up feeling worse than an AFC.

This sounds to me like a classic limiting belief. If there is one thing that I have learnt by watching "Keys to the VIP" it is that a guy with tight enough game can say very nearly ANYTHING and through reading and calibration make sure that it does not lead to a shoot down, or else roll off and recover.

Maybe you need to go on a mission, go out one night and see how many of these limiting beliefs you can shatter by using them in sets and not getting punched in the face. I don't have the answer, but I know that its not as bad as you think it is.

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The game is easy to start, the referee blows the whistle. It's where you go from there that matters.

I had a similar issue when is started gaming. Try not to think about it too much, what i mean is try to have a normal convo by asking questions and having relevant feedback/stories. It'll become more natural once she starts talking to you cuz you gotta break that anxiety barrier.

You want to use pua routines as a "spice" david deangeolo would say. if you use routine after routine it will backfire. I believe by doing this you will develop attraction and you'll vibe with her.

You'll set an impression that you are able to be funny & cocky and that you can tease her and have fun while being a confidant person she can trust and have a nice conversation with.

Don't think about it too much, or else you'll self-defeat your thoughts and when you do say something it'll come out pussy-like and you won't show any confidence. Personal experience, don't think about what to say, or you'll ruin your inner game. Getting the message across is by far more ownage.

I think you're hearing "don't do this" a lot because what everyone is talking about is very difficult to describe, and it's easier to call someone out for doing it wrong. It's a calibration issue. How do you describe someone who is in a conversational "zone," where the discussion is completely fluid, dynamic and where there is parity in conversation (both people talking equal to their level of charisma vs. one person steamrollering the other)? When I'm in a conversational zone, it's like I lose sense of time and external thoughts - I am just focusing on the people I'm talking to and having a great time. When you're there, it's almost like you don't know it, but when you're NOT there, it's totally obvious.

If you are new, work out a couple of tested routines so you have something to fall back on. Even if you never use the routines, you know it's there. Then when you're out in the field, weave and bob your conversation like a boxer. Grab bits of your routine when you need to and change it up. It will flow naturally and you'll have a lot more fun than if you suddenly have to remember your whole routine and then fuck it up halfway through.

this exactly.

I think that's a problem with learning material in that it leads you into the mindset of having to have something "interesting" to say. this mindset of course blocks you from approaching then because you fell like you have nothing to talk about. in actuality there is always something to talk about and who cares if she finds it interesting or not. that's how I break down that block at least is I go out with the mindset of saying whatever is on my mind with no expectations.

I think anyone starting out should not even worry about any pua routines until they can at least cold approach and hold a basic conversation for a few minutes. that is the basics or "the meat" and only when you have that down can you add the spice

"I can see AFC's doing things that you'd only notice were AFC if you know abit about gaming and stand there thinking wtf lol that was embarassing i wouldnt do or say that.

So what do i do? for fear of being like them i do nothing and thus end up feeling worse than an AFC."

Maybe coming to the realization that you are an AFC will help. Just because you have read and researched about pick up doesn't make you any better, as you are still pussyless. Whenever I find myself thinking of what I shouldn't do or say to uphold a certain ego or persona, I become an AFC, too. But when I lose my ego and can really care less of what I say or do, things seem to go a lot better.

It is exactly as DaddyMcClair says, try to focus on striking up a regular conversation without having any attachment to the outcome. You are simply having a chat because you would like to have some fun, its no big deal. Try to erase the influence your ego has on you. Stormy has written great stuff on this gaming method:

It seems I cant post links yet, but it is in the beliefs and confidence building self-esteem and general inner game section as a sticky called Frame control, Defining reality, and being High Value.

I recommend you read the whole thread, it is worthwhile

cheers guys i almost forgot about this thread!

definitely some interesting points made, i'll start taking a look into everything mentioned