Actually i find Sinn to be fucking weirld looking! Mystery certainly can be goodlooking when he is not overpeacocking.

Smarpesh, looks afect your confidence, but its not like they are the main aspect of it, not even by far. Find who YOU ARE, then youll have an overwhelming confidence you cant have with looks alone. I guess your even overthinking about your looks!

If you blame your lack of sucess in your looks youll NOT improve. If you think looks get girls..open your eyes, look at the real world!

Smarpesh the thing is that nowadays no matter how ugly you can be you can make yourself good looking. I dont recomend it but if you really have terrible looks than perhaps minor plastic surgery such as rhinoplasty or chin augmentation could be used but there are many ways you could make yourself look good without surgery. Its honestly all about the hair man like for me personally i dont have the best face but a great haircut makes the bad features of my face seem less visible. This may seem strange but once you feel confident its weird but you will physically look better this will also inspire you for better grooming. I call it being in sync im sure youve experinced it at least once its those days where you cant do anything wrong its those days you personally remember. One thing i realized in this world is that everything thats worth having you have to work for including good looks confidence whatever. Work hard for everything man and i promise you you will experience many days while being in "sync"

I dont know about plastics,it could go wrong,and fuck it up even more.
im just considering it,as a extreme exit.

Each day that passes,it becomes harder and harder to move on,i have nothing good happening on my life right now,its a hell.
and i cant do much things to "look good".
buy a nice shirt? whats the point? it will feel that im trying too hard.
theres a perfect dude,that score chicks wearing a 0,30 cents shirt.

anyway,maybe my thoughts are wrong,but grooming to be is bullshit,there are 2 things,you look good,or you DONT look good.
grooming is not gonna make your face better,or your body better.

Im so fucking bad,that i didnt sleep tonight,due the bad feelings.

http://worldmustbecrazy.net/the-effect- ... of-make-up

and hence I prove you wrong. Don't be the long,messy haired,bearded,hirsute, stinking, burger sauce oozin, hot dog stuffing adult male. Make up is to girls what shaving/haircuts/cologne/belt/shoes are to men.

i hear you Smarpesh!
you know i LOVE how many ppl just say stuff like 'Looks don't count that much'.

Of course personality counts but when you are in a club or a social gathering women are gonna be looking for hot ass to get hit on by.they not gonna settle for some dude who is not attractive! I'm completely average looking and actually have a bit of a chubby face so over time i have been building extremely potent conversation techniques and comforting skills. This clicks well with women but my biggest problem is escalation. ON the other hand you get guys like one of my best friends. he literally has to say 20 words and BANG he is down a womens throat.So many guys in here think they can get any women they want - yes its possible but i think the initial physical attraction you get from women is always important.When you go out with your mates and you see a group of girls do you EVER hear your mates say 'Wow check that HB but nah im interested in the average one'.No.we are hard wired to see something flashy and be attracted.

I just think some guys need to face reality that clubs may not be the best place to pick up women.For starters if you do go out and expect to land an HB10 based purely on your attitude,confidence and game...thats bullshit.A decent trend i have spotted with almost all Pua's is that they are decent looking and don't actually know what it feels like to be UNATTRACTIVE to the opposite sex so i completely understand where Smarpesh is coming from.I like Tyler Durden alot as he is kind of overweight but his confidence and attitude is pretty golden... The last guy i want to be listening to is someone like Adam Lyons or Gambler, sure they have brilliant techniques and game but they have NEVER ever know what its like to just be socially unattractive!? But honestly mate what you need to do is get out there and just get more experience.Don't go out there expecting to get ass ....just get to meet tons of new ppl - your game will grow naturally and i'm not gonna try and dash your hopes but seriously start all the techniques and methods you have learnt on some fairly average or UB'S. you will get guys telling you 'NO man go and hit on a HB10..omgzzz i fcked 132 HB10's in one week'. Baby steps man!
That's what im doing at the moment and im extremely content with my results on women im interacting with.The last 2 girls i had something serious were an HB8 and and HB7.. and after we ended our flings i asked them what they actually liked about me.They told me blunt that i'm short,average and chubby...but my attitude overwhelmed them.So you gotta sharpen those social skills bro....you will see insane results.

Best of luck bro! and pm me if you wanna chat....like i say : i completely get you.

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Smarpesh your negative attitude is what makes you unattractive. Il give you two golden rules about attraction 1- If you want to be loved you must first become worth loving and 2 - Be the light not the moth. You will never ever become successful with women if you keep feeling sorry for yourself instead embrace all that is positive in you. Why should you choose to focus on the negative? Do you enjoy feeling depressed? of course not so why not think of positives. Good looks can be made but not overnight. Nice skin a muscular body and good dental hygeine are things you must WORK for. The reality is girls will always go for the most popular guy in the room not necessarily the hottest. Meet people show them your lovable personality make them want to be around you and all of a sudden girls will start to find you attractive. Look at lil wayne hes ugly as fuck but he can get any girl he wants because hes confident and popular. Dont ever doubt this you can always change always adapt no matter what position your in but only you can do that in the end its all up to you I cant and the people on this forum cant we can only guide you best we can so instead of crying about the things you dont have why dont you get those things you need? Im telling you right now the more you think of how terrible your life is the longer it will be terrible you are your own worst enemy. Read Think and grow rich by napoleon hill i promise you you will feel better after reading this book. Msg me afterwards if u can hope my advice helps-Andrew

My theory is that unattractive men have a harder time in the initial stages of pickup and in less conventional settings because their looks scream sex to a woman. If she's just met you that's a bad thing, depending on her level of experience with guys it'll make her nervous and unresponsive.

On the other hand, ugly guys have trouble getting things out of the friend zone because they are well recieved but can't build the attraction necessary to escalate.

Regardless, women can see much deeper than men can and aren't all just attracted to looks. A lot of women will actually be more intrigued by a man who is good with words than someone who has a cute face.

There have been plenty of famous seducers in history that were BARE ASS UGLY and still were hugely successful. I thank God every day that He made women able to look past a man's physical appearance. I sometimes wish the same could be said for men.

--Johannes

Many studies have shown that men have a broader range of 'attractiveness' to women, only in terms of appearance and not personality; whereas women have set attractive features (boobs,ass,legs,face). A hot guy to a woman means too many things;fit, distinct jaw, balanced facial features, dark eyes, scars and tattoos,height (or the lack thereof too)..and some women like the total opposite of these features. Attractiveness is not defined for males as it is for females, because men never were shown as sex objects in society. And that is the very reason as to why any man can win over any woman (although in all honesty,and contrary to what you may have heard, there are some limitations), using not only appearance, but personality, social worth, character and such.

On the other hand,there is very little a woman can do to get a man to like her if he does not find her physically attractive.

Well yay for men then, at least its theoretically possible for me to get any woman I want. lol

--Johannes

Like the whole reason of the community is to get average looking guys , and even ugly ones (Style, Jeffries) to become pimps, I don't see how people could even make a thread like this in the good old days lol.

I thoroughly agree with your opinion, I'm not even sure if this idea of natural game. Is that pickup or is that just being a guy? I guess when this concept hits the mainstream a little more we just become a forum about dating.

Exactly. If you be a MAN you will get a woman. If you be a pussy you'll get clam chowder.

Nice post!
I agree to a certain extent but come on...we all know THAT guy that makes all the women melt. He can fart in a meeting and the women would laugh it off and still love him.They get it real easy.In my experience ive seen alot of good looking guys with no deep or meaningful conversation skills get laid left right and center.
But hey this is what the forum is for.To help the AFC get on top of things .I'm sure there are tons of former AFC's that can protest to completely destroying the good looking AMOG.its gold!

So women can look past the looks right but men can't really?

Hmm....who lays all the HB's1-5 then messed up

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yeah man, looks don't nearly account for much vs. confidence. One of my buddies is a natural and he's not good looking at all but MAN he knows how to talk to women and he is fucking hillarious. He is also a drama-queen. Of course he gets all the girls.

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