I'm a honky tonk man. And I can't seem to stop. Love to give the girls a whirl to the music of an ole' juke... ... oh. I'm sorry. Let me get to the point.

I still stand by my original opinion that women are not worthy of respect or admiration. Unless of course you are admiring (hopefully from afar) how unbelievably cruel and dishonest they can be with total disregard for the feelings of their significant others. I often do. I don't blame them for it, though. I theorize that it's simply their nature and not their fault. Long before I ventured into the world of the pick-up arts, I witnessed time and again woman cheating on their boyfriends, fiances, and husbands all around me. I don't believe I've ever met a female who hasn't been unfaithful at least once during the course of their relationship. I've seen loyal guys driven to the point of insanity over it. I certainly wasn't about to let that happen to me.

Fast forward to my post-PUA days. That fledgling low opinion that I was beginning to develop of women in general has now become solidified with experience. I tend to prefer going after women in committed relationships, and for multiple reasons. First, they're usually more adventurous/enthusiastic, I imagine due to boredom. Secondly, they're usually less likely to pester me to try and get me to commit or have children with them, as they already have a guy to pay their bills and help raise their children. I will go ahead and address a common response to my point before it is brought to my attention...

"You've just met the wrong women. Sure, some (or most) of them are like that, but to generalize is wrong and incorrect."

I find this statement both fictional and even insulting. Insulting in the regard that it implies I have made this point with a grain of salt or based from the actions of a small handful of observations. Believe me when I say that I have not. I estimate I have met and befriended somewhere in the department of around 30 couples in my adult lifetime. Of those 30 I have been able to confirm infidelity committed by the female in every single example, and on occasion committed by both parties. The other factor is personal experience. Also in the course of my adult life, I have come across(yes i have but no i didn't say it to be funny) around 25 women in committed relationships who have cheated on their significant others with me personally. I have now reached a point in my life where I can comfortably declare that there is not a single married or otherwise committed female that I can not sleep with, if I decide that I want to.

And no, while I am far from hideous, there are certainly plenty of other men that could be considered more physically attractive than me, and no, I am far from wealthy. It's a simple matter of applying the knowledge you can acquire right here on these forums. There are two possible rebuttals I can think of for skepticism. First, you could accuse me of lying... and it's your right to be of that opinion if you find my post unbelievable. I would in that case, however, implore you to take a closer look the next time your girlfriend/wife/fiance is "working a double," "helping her mother," or "hanging out with the girls." You could be in for a shock. The second is that despite overwhelming statistics, you might say "Wow man. You've just got the worst and weirdest luck in the world! To have met all the bad ones like that!" I won't even bother to logically attempt to address that one. If you believe that then you're living in your own crazy reality and I don't think I can help. To everyone else reading this who knows exactly what I'm talking about I just want to say "Kinda sucks balls, doesn't it?"

And finally, for the last type of person reading this (those who are afraid that what I'm saying is true), I posted this for you guys. Don't be fooled by the women, the media, or your own mothers. I have literally seen dozens of guys fall to pieces because they were certain they had met someone amazing in possession of both morals and virtue, and women have neither. They do seem to have genuine feelings, and I am honestly inclined to believe that they do, but under certain circumstances they become completely powerless to the right man. I suppose I should say that to their credit (maybe) that some of them try harder than others to fight against it. Ultimately, however, it is their nature and they all lose the battle. Maybe some guys can live with those shortcomings and excuse it for that reason... whatever you do though do not live in denial. It's a terrible thing to have to witness.

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This is rough. I know its true and its a hard pill to swallow. But I think the guys who are the most successful with women realize this, therefore they give much less of a shit what women think and treat them how they should be treated.

The most fascinating part is that she will manipulate into thinking she is this high virtuous creature until you believe her. Women know that men fall head over heels for this and idealize her without any backing in true female nature.

Best way to handle it. Kill monogomy forever. Why would you want anything from a woman other than sex on your terms?

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Nail on the head. The best part is knowing that, as you say, they will work their asses off to have you believing it. Every single time I call bullshit on them right in the beginning, they only try harder and harder to convince me that while many girls are that way, they are different. Just part of the marketing scheme I suppose, because they are literally three times worse than a telemarketer when you refuse to accept what they're trying to sell.

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Thank fuck I've found this thread. I've said this to my friends time and time again, and they all think I'm just being bitter (first time I decided to stop playing girls and get into a relationship, she turned round and cheated on me - irony is a bitch) but I was adamant I was justified in thinking this way towards women.

I worked abroad in a nightclub, in a major hotspot for Stag and Hen nights. We were all pretty good looking PR's and Barmen, and we'd all read the game. We literally used to take it in turns to take home the hen from each party that came through. At least 75% of the Hens would end up sleeping with one of the staff, and 100% of them would at least make out with one of us.

Monogomy has always been dead, it's just been a huge secret to the public.

For real, the public is full of shit anyways. Living that fantasy isn't even worth the pain. I have been toeing the line of bitterness and realism about women for years. Of course all of us probably have some bit of bitterness, but lets be honest here. Women have no morals. They don't even care about morals or want to think about them. They just want good emotional experiences, and if that includes being completely unfaithful and naughty then back the fuck off because they are going to do it. The best bet is to be the guy that they want to be naughty with and then find yourself drowning in pussy.

I guess the real mind blowing part is why MEN seem to think THEY should have morals. Most of the time it is because we believe that is what WOMEN want. If we got rid of the programming in our minds thinking that if we have high moral character women will swoon over us, then we would just be our real selves, which I believe in most cases is an immoral, selfish prick. Perhaps we have been manipulated into thinking having MORALS is a surefire promise that we will have a good life. Morality and a deep concept to me. I don't think male nature is one of high morals necessarily. Personally, I pursue high character and I enjoy feeling a sense of doing the right thing and living by integrity. But at the end of the day, I treat women like shit most of the time now because most of the girls I meet aren't worthy of being treated right.

Women don't think because they spent a lot of time with you and you gave them everything, they OWE you some loyalty. That is the guy fantasy and guy perception of love. Women think "I can do better than this, screw this guy, he doesn't make me feel......." Then they find the next one and never think about you again. You become the weird ex boyfriend even though you were just open and loved them.

The differences between men and women are a sick joke.

Now I just love lying to women, it is my biggest hobby. I just lie, lie, lie get my dick wet, lie, lie, use, get my dick wet again and then lie. I'll fucking tell her I am an EMT for an ambulance and I save lives for a living, lay her, cum in her face and kick her out of my house and laugh for 45 minutes by myself about it.

How is that for having "morals"? Look where your morals got you now. Dumped, cheated on and made the laughing stock of some bitches social circle.

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"Chivalry is dead... and women killed it."

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Man the mysoginism on this thread is too much.

A more balanced view would be that women are just as bad as men at cheating if they are made to feel attracted, which most guys are unable to do, and hot women can do just by virtue of their looks. The only reason that you find these guys who try to be "moral" is because they think they don't have choice, and in fact most don't. They think that women being the decider when it comes to choosing sexual partners is the natural flow of things, and I guess it is in a way or the human race would never have propagated as successfully as it has.

I do believe, however, that it is possible, although difficult, for both sexes to be able to shake off this programming.

I agree to your proposed explanation of this observable phenomenon, girlfriends cheating. I, myself have witnessed girlfriends cheating on their boyfriends countless of times and I think monogomy is "against nature." We are born to produce sperm to widen out the population, not to stay in a mono-relationship for 60 years. To stay with one partner over a long period is in most cases going to turn out boring and attraction-empty. Of all relationships I have known quite well in the last years (friends with girlfriends/boyfriends) I KNOW FOR SURE that 60-70% of them has involved cheating from the girlfriend. I don't bother thinking about the others;)

This sucks balls.

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Great thread guys, I have to agree that at least 70% of women have/will cheat at some point. I got out of my last relationship, was total afc at the end and I wondered why my baby momma would get texts in the middle of the night and do whatever she wanted whenever she wanted....

I kicked her to the curb and stayed 100% there for my daughter, and low and behold... now that I dont give a half a shit about her, she is ALL over me all the time, she sends me pics of her in lingerie etc etc... and this a chick who didnt want anything to do with sex with me while we lived together and I paid ALL her billls.... hmmm wtf happened...

The whole thing is attraction, period. You dont want your girl to cheat, keep her attracted,keep her on her toes. Now... idk why you would want a gf/wife, but that is just me... why have one when you can have whatever ones you want?

And on a side note, anyone looking to meet up in Chicago area, get in touch with me.

Well, this comes from women always looking for a better option. So unless you are the better option shit is gonna happen.

However, just as men can be faithful and trustworthy so can women. It is a matter of personality. I agree that it isnt as many as you ideally would think but to say that they are all like that... Thats just not true.

The first step is to become desillusionized and the next step is to accept it for what it is and find the cure for it...

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This. And I guess the hardest part is just BEING that best option.

Jesus H. Christ, the only thing less believable than the fact that I haven't noticed this thread til now is that there are so many positive replies to it.

What the fuck is the matter with you people?

Look, I am a guy who spent the majority of his single days specifically hunting taken women because they kept things simple. After all, women who already have their emotional needs fulfilled by a relationship but are looking for some exciting sex on the side rarely get clingy.

I have seen what everyone here has seen. I have watched chicks crawl all over the nuts of guys who weren't their boyfriends night after night (and, occasionally, more than one time a night). My friends' girlfriends have tried to seduce me. Women whose avatar is one projecting the highest sense of propriety have been on their knees with my dick in their mouth.

But despite all that, I still know better than to generalize the entire female gender based on the actions of super-young party girls who hang out in clubs, at parties or other "target-rich locations." Why?

Because people who go to those places do so, whether they know it on a conscious level or not, with the express purpose of PICKING UP OR BEING PICKED UP.

Trying to find a faithful girlfriend in a club is a lot like trying to find a faithful wife at the Bunny Ranch. Unrealistic and completely ridiculous.

Despite what passes for conventional wisdom in the community, the club is not an accurate representation of reality AT ALL; in fact, more nonverbal lies (such as make-up, push-up bras, shoes that make you taller, etc.) are told in bars and clubs than anywhere else in the world.

Even the OP himself says he is basing his theory on approximately 30 couples he has met and confirmed infidelity in. Guess what? There are about 6,817,747,144 people in the world. If you figure that just 1/4 of those are in monogamous relationships, that means the OP is basing his sweeping generalization on roughly 0.0004% of all couples in the world.

In what kind of fucked up world is that considered conclusive?

I rarely call out specific posters in threads, but casthenova's reply made me sick: I'll try to be as delicate as I can because God only knows what kind of fucked-up childhood led you to the conclusion that lying to women is something worth laughing about (or that it's even an original idea, considering that's how about 50% of men have been getting laid since the beginning of time) but I don't care who you are, all that lying will eventually wear down on your soul. Not to mention the drama that ensues once your latest 'conquest' discovers your deception is really not worth the trouble of getting an inconsequential piece of ass.

There's nothing to celebrate here. ANYBODY, and I seriously mean anybody, including the mentally retarded, can lie and cheat to achieve their goals. It proves nothing.

(By the way, the above is in no way a slight toward anyone who is actually mentally retarded.)

I have said this hundreds of times on this forum and in private conversations, but 9 times out of 10 in dating and seduction, what you expect is what you will get. If you guys continue to go around expecting every woman you consider getting in a relationship with to cheat, lie or otherwise deceive you, you can almost guarantee you will find it--if for no other reason than because YOUR OWN ACTIONS, subconsciously guided by this fucked up belief, will drive her to do so.

Growing jaded is a shitty excuse for growing experienced, and the latter requires admitting that you might not know everything about every person you see. To everyone who has agreed with this post so far, I suggest exploring that option.

Your boy,
870

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870, thank God for that well thought out reply. Nuff' said.

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While I generally agree with the author of this thread, I find what you said to be an absolutely horrible opinion of women.

i mean i know freedom of speech and all that bull shit but why is this thread up here?????granted im only 16 years old and maby not a MPUA but deffanetly condsidered to be a PUA and this almost made me sick.

what the fuck do u think your doing to wemon?when u PU its not about brakeing their heart or scaring them afterwords.

being a PUA is about improveing ure own life wile not ruining others.

its people like you that give PU such a bad name,this disgusts me in every way.when a girl gets picked up by one of us she should feel pleased like it was a privige.not scared and with regret.maby im out of line for posting this but its how i feel and ive had my two cents so im out.

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