The biggest problem I found in every PU-forum is that people don't acknowledge the status quo.

A beginner has a hard time approaching and is insecure and people say "you have to kino the girl". The beginner replies with "I can't". People reply with "don't waste our time then".

Provided the "advice-givers" have practical experience in the first place(!) their advice is often advanced. The problem is that the leap necessary is too big and creates an unnecessary obstacle that throws people back.

For me this is "you don't need crutches for kissing a girl". I say: "Yes I want them". Then - like an old vinyl record player - people repeat "you don't need crutches for kissing a girl" and I am stuck, asking in another forum. As I know better what I need than some random idiot on some forum.

Yes, maybe some mysterious "you" does not need them, but I need them.

So if a beginner or intermediate writes that the challenge is too high for him - he is not lying. Instead of wasting his time with accusing him of not taking your self-proclaimed good advice, help him chunk the process even further.

Everything else is wasting not only his time but yours aswell.

PS: Don't assume some childhood trauma just because a guy cannot approach. Help him chunk the approach. Pickup is a skill that you learn, like bicycle-riding. Nobody would say that you have to even attend therapy just because you cannot ride a bike, so it is flawed the same way, to recommend therapy if someone is afraid to escalate or approach women(like you were never afraid of approaching women).

People are giving you advice based on their experience. I assume they are trying to give you the best advice possible to help you. I understand what you're saying about desiring baby steps, however maybe that isn't the most helpful? The truth is, you don't know what to do. If you knew, you wouldn't be asking for advice on a forum. So instead of trying to control or alter other people's advice, why don't you try to listen and understand what they're saying?

If you're not willing to take the advice given in this forum, maybe you're not willing to do anything to change. Maybe you need to experience some more years of loneliness until there is enough pain where you are willing to take action. I hope this doesn't sound too harsh, however in my experience over the past few days reviewing this board, is that many guys are spending a lot of time sharing their experience and helping others. I'd try to appreciate that and find the truth in their stories...

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Truth is, I know very well what to do. I can't make myself do it. Kissing is simple. You want to kiss her, you go closer, she stays, you kiss. If she pulls back, you try again later. Simple.

Simple?

Yes, in theory. No, when many people are surrounding you, she is still not sure whether you are a creep or have courage and therefore talks in a loud voice for everybody to hear. Once you think that she is ready, some interruption appears. And in my case, I don't know how to tongue kiss.

As it never feels right, you need to do it after a certain time you spent with her.

When people say , they pretend to never have experienced social pressure.

So for the dumbfucks: means .

We all know how to kiss a girl and have sex with her. What we don't know is how to conquer fear by babystepping each process.

Most times I have to even argue with some guy online because he does not feel that his advice was valued when in fact his advice is too vague or too advanced to be used.

So no, I or a beginner, we are not the problem. The advice giver is, who is so in love with his advice that he does not realize that his advice does not work for the person asking. The question is not: , which they happily reply to but . To protect their egos, they say beginners were not interested in advice(no, they are just not interested in what you and some fag fanboy(who is you with another nickname) calls advice).

If you are skinny and insecure as a guy and are bullied by someone and you write that on some forum and you get the reply that you should stand up to your bully, you know nothing. You are neither better nor worse off than before.

johngoldman, why the intentional misunderstanding and wasting of my time instead of improving your replying habits? If you don't change them, you will always write replies in vain. Is that what you desire?

I'm not sure how to respond to this in a helpful way, so I'm out. Best of luck to you.

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johngoldman, this has never been open for discussion. It is a demand note. Change your habits for your replies to be useful.

I can see how my response was a bit harsh. Sorry to offend. Best of luck to you.

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