Hey Sexaddict,
Im new to the "game" but id say i have a decent amount of natural game and i have a new found confidence to me. But heres my question/problem

I was at the local college bar tn hitting on the girl id say HB7, i thought the conversation was going really well but she kept looking away from time to time so i would also look away try not to seem to interested. Ended up playing neil strauss 5 question game with her, got a kiss out of it, only a kiss though. She ended up giving me her number. What i didnt realize was my friend actually was hitting on her before me and he was completely obliterated, he straight Alpha'ed the fuck out of me legit pushed me out of the way, if it was any1 else i wouldve punched them in the face but i just went to find the next chick i could find, while he talked to her. Then once my friend sobered up (i was no longer interested in her) we decided to call her and ask her about our interactions with each other. She said i held a very entertaining conversation with her and she liked that but that my "game" would work better in a smaller venue, she said girls are only looking to hook up with random guys at this club/bar. She ended up liking another guy more then us anyway she said they were dancing for a long time but there was no convo. i think shes just a stupid whore, but regardless, im curious maybe what could i have done better to maybe sexually escalate, it seemed as if she liked other guys better then me but recognized my entertaining convo. i really have no idea, i just thought this was a good example to get some feedback on to improve next time. Thanks

Edit: i keep thinking if my friend didnt cock block me i wouldve been golden for the night but then i realize theres a reason she didnt care when he did (possibly).

There is several steps you need to take here.

1. Be a lion.

Never worry about whether or not you will look needy, creepy or whatever, those are signs of the less confident man, and this worrying can become transparent to a woman in your words and actions.

The lions of the world see what they want and go for it, they go after the prey with no fear! ( this is an attractive quality to women and shows confidence, confidence is gold) They are not outcome dependent, if they don't catch their prey they simply move on and hunt for more.<This is must become your state of mind, become the lion.

2. Stop wasting time.

You must show your physical interest and make it clear. If you haven't yet made it obvious that you want in her pants, you need to ASAP. Doing so will allow you to gauge her reaction and interest and potentially open the door for sexual escalation. Failing to do so can lead to a prolonged seduction attempt as well as increase your odds for failure or worse, friend-zoned.

It doesn't have to be a super bold comment or even sexual, but it has to be obvious. if she responds well, escalate. From this point on, you need to always keep a flirtatious and sexual frame.

3. Text wisely. When she texts you next ask her what she's doing, if she's busy or if she has time to chat. If she says "time to chat", then use that time as the opportunity to engage her and try to escalate. ( by asking her if she's busy, she should be more obligated to respond immediately.

4. Be sexual and flirtatious/Keep the frame always This may be hard for you if you have little experience, but i remind you to think and act like the lion. The beauty of sexting is that even if you dont have the level of confidence that you need at the moment, you can still show it by being flirtatious and sexual with your words. This is what I was talking about in the last response, you have to create a sexual association to you. If you are constantly being sexual and flirtatious, she'll have only two choices "join in" or exit. Either way, you have results.

5.Escalate. In any type of escalation there is a process, cold-warm-hot.


Cold. Opening her up, start PG-13. What works well for me is to bring up kissing, just as you would if you were physically escalating, but instead of doing it you are talking about it. here's some examples of what you could say to start the ball rolling.

I saw this girl today on the tele, she looked a lot like you. She was in a very hot kissing scene: I couldn't help but think of you and wonder if you're a good kisser.( or) Are you a good kisser?

I seen this couple making out like crazy on the street, he was holding her head with both hands it was pretty passionate, how do you like to be kissed?

I had a dream we were in a park and kissing passionately, it was hot. It felt so real, you were good, now I'm totally curious.

I'm sure you get the point here. If she response well, you will have managed to create the frame, now it's just a matter of keeping it, just continue asking questions and keep flirting, hopefully she'll be playing along and it will make it a lot easier to escalate.

Warm This is when the target should be fully engaged and responding well, here are some examples of things to say to a warm target.

Where's your favorite spot on your body to be kissed?
On a scale of 1-10 how spontaneous are you?
1-10 how adventurous are you?
1-10 how sexual are you?
1-10 how naughty?

This is the make it or break it point as far as "sextual"escalation,( sex/text) If she's responding well or giving you high numbered responses, then it's obvious sign of sexual attraction and it's time to go all in. You should be either inviting her to hang out as soon as possible or by getting her to commit with her sexuality by expressing her own sexual interest in you. This is where you start to talk about you and her being sexual and progress to the hot stage.

Hot By now you should have been completely open with one another and it should just flow. Dont be afraid to ask her for a photo, wearing something sexy, or nothing at all. By now there should be a lot of dirty talk going on, and it should be exciting for the both of you.

If at anytime you've seem to reach a threshold and she doesn't wish to get any naughtier, this is the time to exit,( do it politely and look to chat with her again soon). Even if she hasn't got to the point where she's begging for you or sending sexy pics or even if you've only managed to get to the warm stage, it's important to identify her limit and also to shortly after end the conversation. By doing this you will have kept your sexual frame with her the entire time. The next time you interact with her it should be easy to start up again and keep the frame. Do this often enough and she will associate you with sex and flirting and anytime you do chat, it will be sexual. If you get her to meet up, sexual acts will be implied.

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This girl sounds like a player.

Well first off, you should really talk to your friend and tell him never do shit like that to you in front of a woman or any strangers for that matter, it's not cool and friends don't make each other look bad no matter what. Secondly, it definitely ruined both of your chances. Be sure to bring it up to him so it doesn't happen again.

If your target is looking away like that, you must call her on it. You don't have to be rude but you must dictate her attention. You could have said something like " hey I'm right here, if I am boring you I can take off" or "hey hey, no need to look around at the zero's you have a hero right here. " etc etc

In other words, demand her attention no matter what, If she likes to look around that's fine, you don't have to have her eye contact the entire time as long as you still have her attention, preferable with your hands on her or near her and your bodies in close proximity.( if anything to indicate "she's yours" to the other hungry lions) If she keeps showing signs on disinterest by looking away or showing poor body language, its time to eject. You could ask for a number but it would have high flake potential. So I wouldn't even bother. It's best to say goodbye and walk away.

As far as escalating after the kiss, you should have immediately isolated her, tried moving her to another location in the bar or even out of the bar, if not, at least get your hands on her and continue to talk while touching her or embracing her. If she doesn't comply, you simply have not connected enough and it's time to eject.

After the kiss is also the time to set up another encounter, get her interested in hooking up with you and make the invite, never get digits without having a plan for the two of you. Always strike while the fire is hot!

One good thing you did was calling her and asking her what she thought. It's a little odd to do but even if it wasn't the response you wanted to hear, you still got a female prospective and that is always good for learning. I prefer to ask women I have successfully seduced with questions like that, they tend to be more honest. A rejecting woman will often lie to spare your feelings, it's impossible to gauge.

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Thanks a lot sexaddict, lot of good things for me to put into action next time, really appreciate your time replying

Wow fair play thank you very much once again, stuff is golden as usual. Appreciate the thorough response bro!! Will probs pick your brains again sometime as I'm still learning but thanks once again and all the best!!

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I am at page 15 SPAM but I can see I could use your advice on my situation.

I am currently having sex with 3 girls on random occasions.
I try to be sincere and honest about everything. I do not lie and they try to accept who I am.
How far have you come with being open about your sex life with women. Does the truth about them knowing your having sex with multiple women turn them from you or pulls them to you more.
I have a feeling they dont want to lose the sex they get from me but to what extent. Or they think they have a chance to get a relationship over time.

I know it depens on every woman differently but what are your experiences on the issue?
How many girls did you have in a "relationship" or "constant sex" at a time, like a month or more?

Hey man, welcome to my thread.

In the case of dealing with more then one woman at a time, it really does depend on the women at hand and the understanding you have created with each one. I think the key is to establish how far you are willing to go with them right away. If you are not interested in getting serious, it is important that you establish that right away, in this case honesty is the best policy. It will also allow you to save face when they become too attached or you are done with them.

As far as being open and honest about other partners, I'd suggest avoiding that at all cost, it's great to be an honest individual but when it comes to women and other women, it really can become a shit storm quite quickly. Especially if they are in the same general area and are able to connect through social circles or social media.

Here are the pro's and con's from my experience in women knowing about other women.

Pro's

They will fight more for you attention.
They are more willing to go outside of their comfort zone sexually to compete with the others.
You become more desirable to them and others as you are a man of abundance.
They let shit slide a lot easier, knowing you don't really need them
You become a challenge to them and they go out of their way to win you over.
They will respect your honesty, and may retain interest after you part ways.
You've kept your integrity in tact.

Con's

They are in a constant state of insecurity and show it through behaviors and comments
If they are not getting the appropriate attention, they can easily become bitter and vengeful
They will become needy and their competitive nature may turn into wanting you for themselves( sooner)
Even know you were honest, they will always doubt you
Women will not usually stick around for extended periods of time
After it's ended, especially if they are bitter, they will spread the word that you are a player/male slut( not necessarily a bad thing)
If you become interested in one and wish to pursue a relationship, she'll always have doubt.
They'll try to do things to make you jealous to fulfill their own insecurities.
They will investigate the others and in some cases, start a war with them.
You will be under a microscope, constantly and unknowingly.
It will become a topic of conversation more often then not.
You will still be forced to lie, to spare feelings:
They will want to know about the others.
They will want to know where they stand in comparison, etc etc.


These are just what I can think of off the top of my head from my past experiences. I've learned over the years to keep my sex life as private as possible to all women even my female friends, you don't have to straight out lie to them, but it's wise to deflect as much as possible.

Here's the thing, if you are a man of abundance that is honest about your interest in each of these women and state that you do not want to get serious or just want a fling. They'll already assume you are seeing other woman. In my opinion, it's best to just let them assume. Most women will say it's no big deal when you first tell them, but as time goes on and they become closer to you, it will become an issue even if they swear up and down it won't.

It really is up to you to figure out the level of interest in each and let that dictate your actions( as you know them best) But I can promise you this much, it will bother each of them at one point or another, just as I am sure it would bother you knowing a girl is currently having sex with two other dudes.

Some women will be completely cool with just having a healthy open sexual relationship with you knowing about others, It really does depend on the women's level of sexuality ( I'd still keep it to myself)

Keeping it to yourself can cause a nasty shit storm as well but really only when you've becoming close to your target or had been giving false impressions about your interest.

I'd much rather not tell them and deal with the possibility of the shit storm, then tell them and open the flood gates and wait for the shit storm.

Let me know if you have any more related questions, juggling can be tough.

S.A.

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ok my question is "are you satisfied with what you have done? and do you think this is the right path to go until the day you die?

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Yes and no. Am I satisfied with with the knowledge and experienced I've gained? YES! Am I satisfied with the amount of women I've seduced? NO! That's the problem, I don't think I will ever be satisfied. The funny thing about the "art of seduction" is the more you seduce, the more it seduces you.

I am willing to admit I've had my doubts, should I have settled down, got married, had a family. Was it all worth it? Has this ruined my chances of ever loving just one woman, will I be alone when I'm old....etc etc.

The lifestyle of the seducer has its pro's and con's just like any other fast lane type of lifestyle, but if you look at it as a whole and you use the tools you've obtained correctly, you will become a step a head of most when it comes to human interaction which is a huge asset in life.

As far as is this the right path for me to take until the day I die? for me personally, I don't think so. I hope that one day I will change my ways and find that ultimate connection. It may just be a matter of me changing my current state of mind. But the great thing about it is, if I ever do decide to change my ways and find that one woman. I'll have all the tools I need to make it happen.

It all comes down to what you want to get out of it all. Some people just want to learn how to get the girl, others want to get all the girls. My advice to everyone is learn the skill then figure out what you want.

I could imagine if I went to see a shrink, they'd tell me I was a narcissist, had commitment issues, addicted to sex, addicted to the gratification, had mother issues, repressed anger...etc etc And they may be right about some. But without them knowing what it's is to be a pick up artist, how can they truly understand?

I chose to be a pick up artist, and for that reason I wouldn't change a thing.

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Oh look yet another liar trying to scam men. "Lol I randomly Googled 'pick up artist' to see if websites like this exist!" 'cause pick up artist is a term used by normal people all the time and not unique to the community, nahhh.

Even Mystery, Tyler, Gambler, Adam Lyons etc haven't banged over 800 7.5/10 looking women.

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Looks. Money. Status.

All there is to "game" is making normal conversation, being up front about your interests from the start and not seeming super desperate.

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The term "Pick up Artist" has been around long before this website or any like it, it was around even before the internet was main stream. If you don't believe me just ask someone that is older and has been around.

In fact there is a movie called "the pick up artist" sometime in the 80's. ( most likely before you were even born)

Do you actually believe it was just made up during the creation of this website?

Thanks for your two cents kid.

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SKills! Thanks for the video man, it was exactly the reassurance I needed.

You da man!

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How is he trying to scam man, he has been in a forum almost a year, has not made a penny??????

Read this article, then come at me with your opinion.

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