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True, imagine women didnt wear makeup, there would be alot less women getting hit on. I have seen some beautiful women or seemingly without makeup, and their face would make you want to throw up.

So things can be done. But if she dsiqualifies you for being short, your fucked.
IMO woman with less make up are prettier then with more. I prefer a girl with a few flaws then that I need a hammer to see her real skin ;)
The point is even women we think of as hot are wearing alot of makeup. I dont like lipstick at all, but enough shadow and whatever gunk they put on helps their appearance, in most cases.

but most women are not going to let you see them without makeup anyway.


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@Yoda - Have you ever been in a relationship with a girl before or ever slept with a girl that was not a hooker?


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Okay, I saw some pictures, and @Yoda, you could use a bit of a makeover. I'm not sure what your normal going out wear is, but make sure that it fits (tight!). No loose clothing. Your neck makes you look a bit older, use a scarf/shawl to cover that up.

Those are the only things that I have to say. You are for sure not ugly, in the contrary, with the right style of clothing, you can look like the Italian Casanova that you are.

No way that anyone that I know would see you as an Arab, you are to obviously Italian.

I would say, ask a (female) friend with a very good taste of shopping to dress you up a bit and you're good to go.

Further, make sure to walk confident, not like a boxer who just won a match with an angry face. But smile, make a genuine smile, think about something funny. Nobody knows that you're making the smile just to smile. They all think that you have a great time!
Thanks for your reply, as you can see I have lost a significant amount of weight 20kg (45lbs), and that has changed my appearance. With the after, current photo of myself, the tracksuit pants I was wearing (I had just come back from the gym), used to be tight on me, now they are swimming on me.

Yes, I do need to update my wardrobe, and I must confess that in the last 5 years, I have approached only a handful of women, my last one was a blind date in Sep 2011, and as usual I got rejected.

I am often mistaken for Lebanese, Egyptian, and some occasions I was mistaken for Libyan and Iranian (although Iranians are Persian not Arabs), and where I live (Sydney - Australia), women seem to hate men like me.


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@Yoda - Have you ever been in a relationship with a girl before or ever slept with a girl that was not a hooker?
No, I have never had a girlfriend, and I have never been married, all of my sexual experience, with one exception has been paid for. There was this one hooker who took a liking to me, and on several occasions I saw her outside of her work, we had sex and she did not charge me for it. On each occasion she paid for the date (that was very nice of her), and one time she took me to a secluded beach, where we had a picnic and had sex on the beach.

Before you freak out and call me a loser, and social misfit, there are many men like me, I am what you would call Involuntary Celibate, and no I don't chase supermodels or HB9'S or 10's, never have.


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The guy in the video has 4 arms and 3 legs starting at 0:43

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpZhjCaT5og[/youtube]

He has a wife who loves him. He isn't handsome. He's poor. Of course, his wife isn't an HB10, but she's normal. Now, what's your excuse for not taking charge of your life, hmm?

Don't tell me he has two dicks. :twisted:
Ok, firstly I feel for the guy and obviously he has been dealt a very cruel hand in life.

That said, he is fortunate to have a woman who is willing to overlook his disability and give him her unconditional love.

With me, obviously I was born normal (thank God), and over the last 20 months I have been improving myself by going to gym, eating right, and in this regard I have achieved some great success in losing a large amount of weight, and attaining a decent body. Whether my improved physique helps attract women, well that is completely out of my hands.


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Its a little sad to see this because all guys have felt this way at one time or another. Looks do matter at first you're right. HOWEVER you can EASLY overcome this with confidence and personality. Im average as fuck like a 6 at best only quality i have is im tall 6'3 and white. But im really out of shape i could be described as "skinny-fat" Long thin arms and legs with NO muscles and fat belly and man boobs ... i havent worked out in 5 years.... YET I still get HB9 - HB9.5s all the time. I make ok money but not rich at all... im not even a good talker or super whitty. So how do i get super HBs?
im 28, I make TONS of friends everywhere i go... i know everyone, make TONS of girlfriends that are just friends, I just talk to girls, dont even spit game, just talk, go friendzone with a lot of them... They invite me places, they trust me... then I meet their hot friends.... their friends say nice things about me... then i run game on their hot friends... WIN.... popularity is a powerful thing. Dont think it stops in highschool. It works in Bars/clubs/parties too.
So my advice to you... go meet some younger people, non PUAs, guys and girls in their 20s, become friends... the rest will take care of itself. Dont let age stop you my best friend is 45 year old mexican guy 5'8 175 .... he gets more pussy then you can even imagine and hes not rich at all. In fact last weekend he slept with a mom and daughter 3some LOL one HB7.5 and one HB8 hahaha Hes a natural doesnt know about this PUA stuff tho.
At my age (I am 43), I have no interest, and nor I do I have any chance with women under 35, that part of my life is over and my looks and race wrote me off in that regard.

As for the rest of your story, I am sorry but I find this extremely hard to believe, because where I live (Sydney, Australia), the women here are shallow as hell, and if you are not very good looking, they simply don't want to know you. But perhaps women are more friendly in the USA.


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Before I make my post, I'll firstly introduce myself, I am an older guy (I am in my 40's), and have never really had any luck with women. I am not a virgin, and my only sex with women has been with hookers. Unfortunately my race and ugly looks have written me off in the dating game, but that's life, and before you accuse me of being too picky, I rarely approach hot looking women as they are out of my league, and they would reject me instantly. I have approached about 200 odd women in my lifetime, but I have given up, and have resigned myself to dying alone.

Anyway, the reason I am making the post is because I am seriously challenging this idea from the PUA industry that looks don't matter when it comes to attraction, because in my experience LOOKS is the major thing women go for, followed closely by money,fame and bad boy personna.

To qualify the above, why is it that in virtually every social situation I have observed where men and women interact, the best looking guys would end up picking up the girl without fail. Sure there are exceptions to this, and the odd ugly guy may get lucky, but for the most part if you don't pass the looks test with a woman, it's GAME OVER, and no amount of game or any other of that PUA quackery will change her mind.

I will probably get banned for this post, but fuck it, I can discredit PUA teachings and the whole PUA industry so easily it's not even funny, and no I am not a troll, I am deadly serious.
Everyone else has pretty much summed things up here, my friend.
If this is what you truly believe though - I'd suggest Russian Bride!!
No way, whilst Russian/Eastern European women are very beautiful, they are just looking for a meal ticket and an escape out of grinding poverty.

There have been far too many horror stories of western men getting burned by Russian women, and it wouldn't surprise me if the Russian mafia was involved in this dating scam.


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What chief brought is right on, your reality does not mean is factual, i used to think i was hideous, I was getting girls and i was, like why the fuck they like me, then Vin Diesel came along, and people started confusing me, i was like oh shit maybe i do not look so bad... Dude, your perception will be your reality, i dated a lebanese woman and her brother and her friends got tons of girls and they were not that good looking, i think the problem may be you are used to paying for hookers, and now you have a bad habit, is so much easier to pay a hooker than to put the work, effort, rejection, hustle, dissapointments i can go on and on and on that goes along with getting good with women, which i believe is a super important part of life, if not the most important, since 90% of happiness imo is determined of who you choose as a partner... The paying for hookers can be addictive, and is the easy way out, you may be hooked to do like a drug... And you may be making all this excuses to justify, your paying for hookers, since is easier, is like a fat person, that find every excuse not to work out, and rationilize the excuses, since is easier to be fat eating macdonalds that go through all the hustle of working out, get it...

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Its a little sad to see this because all guys have felt this way at one time or another. Looks do matter at first you're right. HOWEVER you can EASLY overcome this with confidence and personality. Im average as fuck like a 6 at best only quality i have is im tall 6'3 and white. But im really out of shape i could be described as "skinny-fat" Long thin arms and legs with NO muscles and fat belly and man boobs ... i havent worked out in 5 years.... YET I still get HB9 - HB9.5s all the time. I make ok money but not rich at all... im not even a good talker or super whitty. So how do i get super HBs?
im 28, I make TONS of friends everywhere i go... i know everyone, make TONS of girlfriends that are just friends, I just talk to girls, dont even spit game, just talk, go friendzone with a lot of them... They invite me places, they trust me... then I meet their hot friends.... their friends say nice things about me... then i run game on their hot friends... WIN.... popularity is a powerful thing. Dont think it stops in highschool. It works in Bars/clubs/parties too.
So my advice to you... go meet some younger people, non PUAs, guys and girls in their 20s, become friends... the rest will take care of itself. Dont let age stop you my best friend is 45 year old mexican guy 5'8 175 .... he gets more pussy then you can even imagine and hes not rich at all. In fact last weekend he slept with a mom and daughter 3some LOL one HB7.5 and one HB8 hahaha Hes a natural doesnt know about this PUA stuff tho.

Everything you advise and say is good, i do not agree with the go hang out with 20 year olds, that would be kind of weird, the poster is in his 40 he should go for milfs, those women already had the hot guys(or they are sleeping with them till they find something more) etc... those women in some cases will look pass the looks and go for personality, since they already know that hot good looking guy(they had many of those) after a good fuck they won't go anywhere,... The original poster is deep in his belief and excuses, his first step is to accept that he is who he is, now is beyond his control(the look part), so what can he do to overcome his lack of looks... Many things he can become attractive, what attractive qualities "the good looking guys that get all the girls have" mimic those qualities... He needs to understand the the 200 plus girls he approached, he did it wrong, something is wrong if you approach 200 hot girls and you did not land one, something he was doing wrong, and i can tell he did, by the mindset... Now start with small successes go for ugly girls, then ok girls, then regular girls, then good, then the hotties... baby steps... And start by going for middle eastern women in Australia, join a social group or activity involving middle eastern women, play to your strengths..
I disagree when it comes to only going for milfs. Most hot milfs are looking for money and status and a good mate to settle down with because they are like a ticking clock and time is running out. Younger girls don’t always care. Also, those 20 year olds, some have single parents you never know. From experience with my 45 year old friend, he dressed like us, hung out with us and banged as many girls in their 20-30 as us.. most of them hot. Young girls LOVE older guys even if they don’t have money they think they have more experience. So he spent a year just sleeping with HBs and then he found a HB8 Milf that’s 40 hes been seeing for 6 months.

Also if the OP is so worried about his hair he can get hair implant surgery, its really not that expensive and really really worth it.

Worst is to just do nothing and give up, 40 is still pretty young you have many many years and women ahead of you, you just have to work to better yourself and gain confidence.
I have been bald since I was 25, and whilst I considered hair transplants etc, they are simply too risky and expensive (their have been many instances, where the surgery has gone wrong, the hair fell out, and the patient was left with a disfigured scalp/head). These days I just shave my head, at least it's a shiny smooth head LoL.

The fact that I am in better shape than most guys my age does give me an advantage, and that's one of the reasons I became a gym junkie, and of course for my health.


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This is the biggest fucking chodey topic on this entire forum. Yoda, you have every excuse in the book. Send me your fucking picture so I can see what is so god damn hideous about you. Seriously. Like no, fucking seriously. If you truly are giving me this bullshit, I swear to god I will come on here and actually deem you the world's first man that proves pick-up is a scam if you are that fucking hideous that I'd actually believe every god damn woman on this planet of fucking EARTH would turn you down.


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What chief brought is right on, your reality does not mean is factual, i used to think i was hideous, I was getting girls and i was, like why the fuck they like me, then Vin Diesel came along, and people started confusing me, i was like oh shit maybe i do not look so bad... Dude, your perception will be your reality, i dated a lebanese woman and her brother and her friends got tons of girls and they were not that good looking, i think the problem may be you are used to paying for hookers, and now you have a bad habit, is so much easier to pay a hooker than to put the work, effort, rejection, hustle, dissapointments i can go on and on and on that goes along with getting good with women, which i believe is a super important part of life, if not the most important, since 90% of happiness imo is determined of who you choose as a partner... The paying for hookers can be addictive, and is the easy way out, you may be hooked to do like a drug... And you may be making all this excuses to justify, your paying for hookers, since is easier, is like a fat person, that find every excuse not to work out, and rationilize the excuses, since is easier to be fat eating macdonalds that go through all the hustle of working out, get it...
In your your first few paragraphs you are kind of contradicting yourself, because one hand you are saying that you thought you werre hideous, then you say people mistake you for the actor Vin Diesel? No homo here, but Vin Diesel is considered a good looking guy by women, so if you looked liked him well of course you are going to get laid like a rock star, Captain Obvious.

However I do agree paying for sex, like I have mostly done is not a good thing, but what were my options?, go through more humiliating rejections?, I know of men who approach hundreds,thousands of women and get nothing, and now these men are suffering from depression and alcholism, I don't want to end up like that.

French Lebanese or more European looking Middle Eastern men do well with women because they don't have the more Arab look I have, there is a difference.

And for your information I used to be fat, now I am in the best shape of my life (I go the gym nearly every day) and I eat right, so I agree with your comment regarding fat people.


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This is the biggest fucking chodey topic on this entire forum. Yoda, you have every excuse in the book. Send me your fucking picture so I can see what is so god damn hideous about you. Seriously. Like no, fucking seriously. If you truly are giving me this bullshit, I swear to god I will come on here and actually deem you the world's first man that proves pick-up is a scam if you are that fucking hideous that I'd actually believe every god damn woman on this planet of fucking EARTH would turn you down.
Now, now calm down, no need to get excited, seriously though send me a PM and I will e-mail you my photo, and you will see why women don't like me.


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Before I make my post, I'll firstly introduce myself, I am an older guy (I am in my 40's), and have never really had any luck with women. I am not a virgin, and my only sex with women has been with hookers. Unfortunately my race and ugly looks have written me off in the dating game, but that's life, and before you accuse me of being too picky, I rarely approach hot looking women as they are out of my league, and they would reject me instantly. I have approached about 200 odd women in my lifetime, but I have given up, and have resigned myself to dying alone.

Anyway, the reason I am making the post is because I am seriously challenging this idea from the PUA industry that looks don't matter when it comes to attraction, because in my experience LOOKS is the major thing women go for, followed closely by money,fame and bad boy personna.

To qualify the above, why is it that in virtually every social situation I have observed where men and women interact, the best looking guys would end up picking up the girl without fail. Sure there are exceptions to this, and the odd ugly guy may get lucky, but for the most part if you don't pass the looks test with a woman, it's GAME OVER, and no amount of game or any other of that PUA quackery will change her mind.

I will probably get banned for this post, but fuck it, I can discredit PUA teachings and the whole PUA industry so easily it's not even funny, and no I am not a troll, I am deadly serious.
1.) Everyone can clean their selves up and make themselves seem presentable. Also, everyone can workout and get into shape...everyone. in fact, (resource wise) its easier to be skinny and fit than fat. start dieting, start running, start drinking warter and you will be surprised at the changes your body goes through.

2.) Its more about how the girl feels about you than how you look to be honest. What is your most prized possession?


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@Yoda - Have you ever been in a relationship with a girl before or ever slept with a girl that was not a hooker?
No, I have never had a girlfriend, and I have never been married, all of my sexual experience, with one exception has been paid for. There was this one hooker who took a liking to me, and on several occasions I saw her outside of her work, we had sex and she did not charge me for it. On each occasion she paid for the date (that was very nice of her), and one time she took me to a secluded beach, where we had a picnic and had sex on the beach.

Before you freak out and call me a loser, and social misfit, there are many men like me, I am what you would call Involuntary Celibate, and no I don't chase supermodels or HB9'S or 10's, never have.
Sounds like you created your self a social drug if you will and now your all butt hurt over the position you are in as your lonely and want to blame everything else BUT your self for where you are in life with girls. This is besides making the sorry ass excuses as well to boot. The only one to blame for your current position is you and only you. That's the reality of it. Say what you what but that is the truth. You can either start on opening your eyes and start working on your self or continue to blame the "world" and die a lone man. You claim you have no control over what is going on yet you have every bit of control over your life. If you truly want to change things get off your ass and change it. Meaning wear clothes that fit your body, act in more up beat positive was, gain confidence and protect it etc etc. Sitting on your ass moaning about your problems when it comes back to you ain't going to get you girls. Getting out and just socializing alone will. You your self said you become bit of a hermit and such anti-social. Have you ever just gone out some place and just randomly talking to people? Take up an outdoor hobby and get out more. I think you will find the world is quite different from what you say it is because you have become so focused on your personal issues that you blame the world for them.

The thing is we can't help you if you are not willing to help your self first.


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I rarely approach hot looking women as they are out of my league, and they would reject me instantly.
As long as you continue to believe this, it will continue to be true.

My opinion? You're paying too much attention to how attractive other guys in the room are and not enough attention to the beautiful ladies you claim to desire.

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I base my beliefs on what actually happened to me when on the rare occaision I did approach a hot looking woman, ie. I was greeted with instant fuck off signals, the silent SPAM and dirty looks. The fact is, and whether you like it or not, you have to compete against better looking men, and sadly I have to say an ugly or average looking guy competing for women with a good looking dude, is analgous to putting up a World War 2 spitfire against a modern day F18 Fighter Jet, who do honestly believe is going to win that dog fight?
Honestly just try to be more relaxed and humorous.

There are many different variations on the "Game".

Personally I have found Carlos Xuma to be an educated and correct source of material.

What is 'ugly' is only an opinion. I love the way Arab girls look with the Middle eastern "promise" etc.

I also think that this forum is the best but each persons experiences are unique and you must modify your approaches to your own age group and surroundings.

Best to you.


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