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What are the main features in your style of game?

Do you have an outline/model of what you do?

Scenario: Night, club, bar scene.
The game is different based on whether or not you plan to visit this club again. I usually always assume i will be back ( unless it is far out of town or I am on vacation)

I do not have any outlines or model of what I do, but I do have some rituals that I tend to follow.

If you arrive at the club early, it is a good idea to spend some time with the staff. Being very polite and friendly can help you later on in the night.

Even before entering, talk to the door man establish a good rapport with him, get his name. Be extremely friendly. Try to be memorable. ( this can help you in the future if you frequent the club again)

I usually always look for an attractive bartender, ( male or female) I will order a drink and then offer a very big tip 5-10$ I will then say to them, I am giving you this tip now to ensure great service from you, there will be another big tip at the end of the night. This usually gets you served first approaching the bar when crowded. The reason I look for the most attractive is because they usually have the most eyes on them when it becomes packed.( while customers are waiting for drinks) So when you come to the bar to order another drink and they serve you first, it usually makes others wonder, what is so special about you.

Talk to the bouncers, establish a friendly rapport, get their names and remember them. You never know when you may need their help. ( being seen with bouncers can often help you establish a sort of don't mess with this guy attitude from other alpha males in the club)

After I have successfully worked the staff, I will then seek out a spot in the bar where I can see the most. I spend the next 30-60 minutes observing ( I will rarely work game right away unless it presents itself to me)

I will also do many laps of the club getting myself seen and trying to establish eye contact with as many beautiful woman as possible. When eye contact is established as I walk by, I will usually smile or make some sort of positive gesture then keep walking. ( I am not approaching anyone at this time)

What I am looking for is simple tells, wedding bands/engagement rings, boyfriends, signs of interest- extended looks, smiles, smirks, attention, positive energy, dancing style, drunkiness ( too drunk is no good for my game) cock blockers...etc etc. All of these things are observed when trying to find a mark.

I will only pick one mark at a time, sure there may be 10 girls i want to work on, but i will only focus on one at a time.

A very important element in a club setting is your comfort around other alpha males. It is wise to always find friendly ones, based on over heard conversation etc. A very easy way to establish a friendship with them is to show your interest in the women in the club. ( As a hot woman walks by, observe her then look at the other guys observing her, then as she is gone, comment on how hot she was to the other men and what you would like to do to her) It's a form of mutual bonding, as all of you have the same intentions.

Never address a group of men, usually one or two men at once. Groups tend to have a group mentality and you can often be seen unconsciously as an intruder but by talking to one or two members of the group can easily bring you into general acceptance.

Easiest way to get respect from guys in a club, is to be good at dancing. Dancing is the best possible tool to have in a club setting, the better you are, the more respect you will garner. ( If you are not in anyway an alpha male, i suggest you learn to dance well) It also sets you apart from the rest. Almost any dance floor in any club anywhere in the world is usually 80-90% women. Then out of the 10-20% of men on the dance floor, how many are dancing well or even dancing period. If you are on the dance floor dancing well, you become a very small percentile, thus making you unique.


Becoming comfortable in your present setting is essential to starting your game in the right mind set. The better your mindset, the better your game.
Its amazing sexaddict to see that u r doing alot of stuff that I have seen in movies and read about. I can actually picture it. I know it can be done, and it shows in your experience. I can see a guy who is well groomed, is healthy looking, who has a good self image, has the comfort of not worrying about himself and can just lay back and just start charming people. Everything u do and say is written in movies, literature and is in the PUA world. Please take it as a compliment as it is not meant to demean ur talent.

I am just smiling as I have not met someone who could do all these things with class.

It takes a great actor to make great lines come alive on stage.

Before I did PUA stuff. I did spend 10 years of reading about sales and behavioural pychology. Ur use of language shows that u have read such stuff to be able to describe what u do. I can only assume it made u better at doing what u do. I only say this as there is a familiarity with the language. Some guys may have thought u were using pua language. I guess those guys were not aware that those psychological terms have always been around.
I was in sales for many years, in fact I always will be. I am an entrepreneur by heart and soul. I have sold everything from carpet to cars. lol.

I also have always had a keen interest in behavioral pyschology as well as body language and neuro-science. I tried to educate myself as much as possible on these subjects. Being an avid poker player as well as in love with the art of seduction. I found all three of these subjects to not only be fascinating, but very helpful.

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Note to self: do not sleep with your staff then hire more and repeat. lol.
Why hire more? because they quit in disgust?

I heard a guy in my town does that. Hes got a fucked up reputation now. He hires backpackers, ONLY girls of ages 18 - 25. Then almost makes them sleep with him or they lose their jobs. Most girls last there about a week because they have the decency to say no, and lose there job, or quit in disgust. The others feel too pressured into it and then the next day they quit of of shame and you dont hear from them again.

Heard many stories from the guy who was basically the only male worker there.

Very seedy tactics to get sex.

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Note to self: do not sleep with your staff then hire more and repeat. lol.
Why hire more? because they quit in disgust?

I heard a guy in my town does that. Hes got a fucked up reputation now. He hires backpackers, ONLY girls of ages 18 - 25. Then almost makes them sleep with him or they lose their jobs. Most girls last there about a week because they have the decency to say no, and lose there job, or quit in disgust. The others feel too pressured into it and then the next day they quit of of shame and you dont hear from them again.

Heard many stories from the guy who was basically the only male worker there.

Very seedy tactics to get sex.

Lol not my style son. Although I did hire women I was attracted to, I just couldn't help myself. Most ended up quitting because I did not want more, not because they were traumatized. Lol.

You must have a very poor physical image of me eh? i went from a toothless war veteren to a creepy bar owner. LOL too funny.

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What are the main features in your style of game?

Do you have an outline/model of what you do?

Scenario: Night, club, bar scene.

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Ok so build up lots of social proof, scout out the "no" girls and the "yes" girls and dance.
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All valid pre interaction tips but what I was after was how do you open, how do you escalate, how do you close. More during and after the interaction sorta stuff
I am trying to get you out of the frame of mind of specific actions for specific situations. I aim to show you what my beliefs are.

You mention "scout out the "no" and the "yes" girls. Yes! thats exactly right, If you can find the "yes" girls, it really doesn't matter what you say, all the matter is the manner in which you say it. If you have successfully identified the "yes" girls, you can confidently approach, and let your natural game come to play.

It's my theory that the more natural you are the better you will come across. You can say almost anything as long as you do it with confidence. And in an appropriate manner.

I am sure you can find a lot of literature on this site and from the books available for those questions, but what is essential is the state of mind you are in when doing any of them.

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SexAddict911, I can totally believe that you are a massage therapist, you could even be a romantic novelist ! Your care and attention to the way you write and frame your sentences exhibit those qualities. But you fail the test of having a temperament of a guy who has slept with multiple(100s) of women.

You just don't have the structure and frame in your game (from your advices) to pick up soo many women. Also, anyone who has been around women would tell you that a cool temperament and frame control are key to success. You dont have either of them. You cant stand getting challenged which further raises doubts about your ability to be successful when tested by women.

However, some of your advices are good, esp. the ones about developing a social group outside of university and school etc.. other ones such as eye contact walking up etc. are also fine. You must have been around, even slept with 10 or may be say 20 women but you are still not there No matter how much you scream from a rooftop.

In a crowded Bar/Club with loud music and high energy and hundreds of people engaged in something or appear to and attractions being sparked by the minute, you mean to say you walk around waiting for 3 IOIs or eye contact before you even move in!! - Good luck with that You are wasting your time. I move in with one or non - just walk in and try spark that attraction. Don't waste time to get noticed !

Anyways you have a good number of followers in the thread so hope you can give them responsible and good advise. - Good luck.
I thought what he just described was very similar to Gambler, working the room, warming up sets, approaching one by one. It would take less approaches to score than otherwise, don't you think?
I posted my take on Skilladdict911 after reading his advices to others and not just based on one particular style though I think the university/college advise was good.

There is a difference between working a room and scoping around in the room.

I don't know Gambler's method but w/o hijacking the thread I'll try to get to this in short - the rituals that the OP suggests is fine but not congruent with the results that he is suggesting. With practice one gets better with ones techniques and the amount of time executing it shortens (You tend to cut out all the BS steps that you do when you initially started with)

Skilladdict911 waits for 30-60 mins observing, unless 'game presents itself', do laps around the club and all those additional steps. Anyone who has been at bars/clubs or social gatherings will tell you right off the bat the things that could get you results and get you there quickly.

His way is fine, but long ended, slow not likely a method that would be used by someone who has slept with multiple women night after night. Anyone who has been successful at bars and clubs would discount the waiting around for 'game to present itself' and additional steps that the OP suggests.

As for scoring, you don't need to work the room for that, neither do you have to act and be social - all that is done by one to make oneself comfortable at the venue, or entertain oneself by talking to a lot of people or to reduce the risk of rejection. For sex you need to trigger a set of emotions - you want to score Go start a banter right off with a girl or have an argument and be willing to stick with it.


Again at SkillsAddict911 - your advises are not bad, don't be discouraged. Its just that your communication style and method is not congruent with someone highly successful with women - And there is nothing wrong with that. You for sure know quite a few things about being a social person and even if you get some of these guys to understand a few things that would get their foot in the door.[/b]

Very mature dude, nice! through out the years i have learned to pick and choose my battles, thanks for the complement of comparing me to the op! i am blushing :oops:

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SexAddict911 - Sure lets get to the constructive feedback, that would do more good.
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I find the word "congruent" floating around a lot in my challenging posts. I am curious, I am 38 yrs old and I have never heard that word used so often, why is that? Is it a common word in the PUA literature. I am truly curious.
Interaction with humans(leave alone pick up) is a lot about Psychology of both parties involved in the interaction. Successful people in any given field have a method of approaching their goal. If you say you drove at 40 mph and completed 800 miles in 10 hrs, your method(speed in this case) doesn't add up.

Your rituals at a Bar is not that of a guy who drives at 80 mph. Anyone, who has been out to bars and clubs can smell this - But anyways....lets not debate on that.

Also, people living on the fast lane, ever been around Athletes, jet setters, in this case a PUA with HUGE number of lays etc.. have a different speed in everything they do - its apparent and something that you have to experience/witness first hand to know. And yes I have been around successful Athletes, people in fast lanes and guys successful with women.

Congruent is not a PUA literature, Oxford Dictionary spells it for us.

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Note:.........I find day game ....There are no true reads, women tend to not even look at you or give off any signs and signals.
Comeon Now you don't actually believe that do you ! Nevermind....
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I am still trying to understand what exactly is meant by the word "structure" and "frame"
Google for 'frame control in PUA' it is explained there.

As for 'Structure' - every successful person in any field has a certain level of mental and emotional structure/foundation/temperament that helps them remain successful. They develop that along the way, in your case from 30 lays to whatever the number is.

I learned to be successful with women from being around guys who are hugely successful with women. I've spent time talking, observing and practicing this. Now have they bedded 20 or 100 women who the hell knows, but yes I have seen them spark attraction, pull women out from clubs, back to the hotels ( whether they recite a poetry or have sex behind close doors that I dont know).

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I am curious, how successful are you on a regular basis, with your method of "move in one or non, just walk in and try to spark attraction'?
If I weren't I wouldn't have even bothered mentioning. I'm no PUA, just a regular guy who is sexually active and have practiced this over and over again.
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But I always do take time out for my observations, for me, these are very instrumental to my game. ....
I agree, before any interaction subconsciously or consciously we make observations that help us cater our conv. But that what practice does to you If you've done this over an over again, your read time shortens significantly, and becomes a second habit. This is where you are losing credibility with your 30-60min wait time.
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Going in cold can have horrible consequences. I am not talking about rejection( although being rejected a few times in a row can sure effect one emotional state) I am talking about the unknown variables.

Does she have a boyfriend ................Being a good observer can allow you to discount that mark and move onto another.


I have to rudely say that all of the above is BS and Newbie stuff.. You still have approach STRONG anxiety and yet not learned to deal with cockblocks - Comeon Man, there are newbies in this forum who could teach you to deal with this...Nontheless... It was good talking to you SkillsAddict911.

No Hard feelings...Good Luck.


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SA, I like your strategy in the clubs, its a bit long but it sounds solid.

I would like to hear what you say after, I mean after you approach a girl, do you have a"tecnique" or you just go with the flow?

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Okay, lets extract the best out of you -

So agreed that 'game has presented itself to you' and you have started the initial conversation with the girl. All that IOIs etc etc.. Now What?

(1) What do you talk to her about?
(2) How do you invite her back to your place?
(3) how do you seduce her to bed?

I'm sure we all learn something from you.


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Okay, lets extract the best out of you -

So agreed that 'game has presented itself to you' and you have started the initial conversation with the girl. All that IOIs etc etc.. Now What?

(1) What do you talk to her about?
(2) How do you invite her back to your place?
(3) how do you seduce her to bed?

I'm sure we all learn something from you.

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SexAddict911 - Sure lets get to the constructive feedback, that would do more good.
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I find the word "congruent" floating around a lot in my challenging posts. I am curious, I am 38 yrs old and I have never heard that word used so often, why is that? Is it a common word in the PUA literature. I am truly curious.
Interaction with humans(leave alone pick up) is a lot about Psychology of both parties involved in the interaction. Successful people in any given field have a method of approaching their goal. If you say you drove at 40 mph and completed 800 miles in 10 hrs, your method(speed in this case) doesn't add up.

Your rituals at a Bar is not that of a guy who drives at 80 mph. Anyone, who has been out to bars and clubs can smell this - But anyways....lets not debate on that.

Also, people living on the fast lane, ever been around Athletes, jet setters, in this case a PUA with HUGE number of lays etc.. have a different speed in everything they do - its apparent and something that you have to experience/witness first hand to know. And yes I have been around successful Athletes, people in fast lanes and guys successful with women.

Congruent is not a PUA literature, Oxford Dictionary spells it for us.

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Note:.........I find day game ....There are no true reads, women tend to not even look at you or give off any signs and signals.
Comeon Now you don't actually believe that do you ! Nevermind....
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I am still trying to understand what exactly is meant by the word "structure" and "frame"
Google for 'frame control in PUA' it is explained there.

As for 'Structure' - every successful person in any field has a certain level of mental and emotional structure/foundation/temperament that helps them remain successful. They develop that along the way, in your case from 30 lays to whatever the number is.

I learned to be successful with women from being around guys who are hugely successful with women. I've spent time talking, observing and practicing this. Now have they bedded 20 or 100 women who the hell knows, but yes I have seen them spark attraction, pull women out from clubs, back to the hotels ( whether they recite a poetry or have sex behind close doors that I dont know).

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I am curious, how successful are you on a regular basis, with your method of "move in one or non, just walk in and try to spark attraction'?
If I weren't I wouldn't have even bothered mentioning. I'm no PUA, just a regular guy who is sexually active and have practiced this over and over again.
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But I always do take time out for my observations, for me, these are very instrumental to my game. ....
I agree, before any interaction subconsciously or consciously we make observations that help us cater our conv. But that what practice does to you If you've done this over an over again, your read time shortens significantly, and becomes a second habit. This is where you are losing credibility with your 30-60min wait time.
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Going in cold can have horrible consequences. I am not talking about rejection( although being rejected a few times in a row can sure effect one emotional state) I am talking about the unknown variables.

Does she have a boyfriend ................Being a good observer can allow you to discount that mark and move onto another.


I have to rudely say that all of the above is BS and Newbie stuff.. You still have approach STRONG anxiety and yet not learned to deal with cockblocks - Comeon Man, there are newbies in this forum who could teach you to deal with this...Nontheless... It was good talking to you SkillsAddict911.

No Hard feelings...Good Luck.

Everything I write is with the reader in mind. You have failed to miss most of my points. I thought you would understand a little bit more after I responded. But you seem set on subjectivity.

I really don't have time to for another one of these meaningless back and forth banters. You did not answer any questions I asked you. If you cannot see the bigger picture, I am not going to sit here and try to explain it to you.

You seem quite convinced that I do not know what I am talking about. Due to your apparent specific mindset, there is really no point in me trying.

Your comments are contentious and condescending. You reply to me as if I you are speaking with a child.

I find your current frame of mind to be "non congruent" with that of a man that is ready to understand what it is to be a true PUA.

I mean no offense, but it is clear you are not ready to evolve past your current limit of understanding.

Since you are convinced of your methods. Perhaps you should start your own thread and pass on your own advice.

Thanks for sharing your opinion. Good luck with your methods.

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SexAddict911 - Sure lets get to the constructive feedback, that would do more good.
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I find the word "congruent" floating around a lot in my challenging posts. I am curious, I am 38 yrs old and I have never heard that word used so often, why is that? Is it a common word in the PUA literature. I am truly curious.
Interaction with humans(leave alone pick up) is a lot about Psychology of both parties involved in the interaction. Successful people in any given field have a method of approaching their goal. If you say you drove at 40 mph and completed 800 miles in 10 hrs, your method(speed in this case) doesn't add up.

Your rituals at a Bar is not that of a guy who drives at 80 mph. Anyone, who has been out to bars and clubs can smell this - But anyways....lets not debate on that.

Also, people living on the fast lane, ever been around Athletes, jet setters, in this case a PUA with HUGE number of lays etc.. have a different speed in everything they do - its apparent and something that you have to experience/witness first hand to know. And yes I have been around successful Athletes, people in fast lanes and guys successful with women.

Congruent is not a PUA literature, Oxford Dictionary spells it for us.

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Note:.........I find day game ....There are no true reads, women tend to not even look at you or give off any signs and signals.
Comeon Now you don't actually believe that do you ! Nevermind....
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I am still trying to understand what exactly is meant by the word "structure" and "frame"
Google for 'frame control in PUA' it is explained there.

As for 'Structure' - every successful person in any field has a certain level of mental and emotional structure/foundation/temperament that helps them remain successful. They develop that along the way, in your case from 30 lays to whatever the number is.

I learned to be successful with women from being around guys who are hugely successful with women. I've spent time talking, observing and practicing this. Now have they bedded 20 or 100 women who the hell knows, but yes I have seen them spark attraction, pull women out from clubs, back to the hotels ( whether they recite a poetry or have sex behind close doors that I dont know).

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I am curious, how successful are you on a regular basis, with your method of "move in one or non, just walk in and try to spark attraction'?
If I weren't I wouldn't have even bothered mentioning. I'm no PUA, just a regular guy who is sexually active and have practiced this over and over again.
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But I always do take time out for my observations, for me, these are very instrumental to my game. ....
I agree, before any interaction subconsciously or consciously we make observations that help us cater our conv. But that what practice does to you If you've done this over an over again, your read time shortens significantly, and becomes a second habit. This is where you are losing credibility with your 30-60min wait time.
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Going in cold can have horrible consequences. I am not talking about rejection( although being rejected a few times in a row can sure effect one emotional state) I am talking about the unknown variables.

Does she have a boyfriend ................Being a good observer can allow you to discount that mark and move onto another.


I have to rudely say that all of the above is BS and Newbie stuff.. You still have approach STRONG anxiety and yet not learned to deal with cockblocks - Comeon Man, there are newbies in this forum who could teach you to deal with this...Nontheless... It was good talking to you SkillsAddict911.

No Hard feelings...Good Luck.
This is my guess. Sexaddict is not sitting around for 1 hour doing nothing. I am guessing that he has had many years of good posture. So standing around looking confident is fact a DHV. I find doing this hard and become self conscious. However I appreciate that if you can look and feel comfortable, then this is a high skill. My observational skills are better than when I started. If sexaddict is confident at looking at peoples faces for long periods which I consider to be more than a secound. Then he would be mentally stimulated by looking at all the micro-expressions (Dr Ekman - 4000 facial expressions in total). If u have super observational skills then u will never get bored.

Sexaddict has 20 years of experience let’s not forget that.. He has not claimed to sleep with women every night.

As far as I am concerned my biggest jealousy is that he plays poker, I do not have anyone to play with, nor do I know how to play. He must have exceptional skills at reading tells (this is a NON PUA term). I do not think the guys online realise what it means to play poker.

Sexaddict a lot of guys will simply not be able to relate to u at all. They are young and are do not where your superpowers come from. They will not be able to relate to NON PUA knowledge. Some are even ignorant of it.

Before I read any PUA stuff. I learnt lots of stuff from Mills and Boons. It’s all there push pull, being cocky and all that. Also any movies before the 1980’s.

Sexaddict I think that when u said u were a natural some took it to mean literally. I guess they assumed you were unemployed and never read a book in your life. U have now explained that u come from Sales and have read books on psychology. This should be sufficient.

Keep going. This thread is entertaining. The critics have their uses, without them this thread would not be as much fun.

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SA, I like your strategy in the clubs, its a bit long but it sounds solid.

I would like to hear what you say after, I mean after you approach a girl, do you have a"tecnique" or you just go with the flow?
Every approach can be different, as every woman is different. Because of the situational aspect of this, It's hard to give you specific techniques.

But there is some rules you can follow. Based on my observations, I will usually open an approach with either humor, or a compliment. ( sort of breaking the ice)

An opening approach is merely, getting your foot in the door. It is important to engage your target. Trying to maintain a good flow of conversation can be difficult if it is loud. It's important to face your target full on, smiling in between words, (It's a great way to keep a mark intrigued) Maintaining eye contact is critical when working in a club setting. Try to keep your words, limited to 3-5 each time you reach in to talk. I find it more difficult for a woman to remember long sentences within a loud environment and can end up with her saying "WHAT" and forcing you to repeat yourself and often taking away the luster of your quick wit.

I would also suggest that every time you reach in to talk, that you try to escalate your body language, subtle touches as you reach in, starting at the lower arm then moving up wards to the shoulder area. Touching while you are moving in is a great way to pick up on her own unconscious body language. These subtle touches to the arm are friendly enough to not be taken as aggressive advances yet can have the same effect if she is interested. Based on her reactions ( your looking for no pauses as you touch her, continued eye contact from her.) if these signs are in place, it is her telling you she is interested and doesn't mind your touch.

IF you are getting positive responses from your brief back and forth banter. Keep it going, but continue to escalate with the contact. At some point you want her to be touching you, this is important before you attempt to bring in sexuality into the conversation. A trick i will use to reassure myself if the girl is interested, is at first I am usually bending down to talk in her ear. ( as I am 6 Ft) If I am getting positive signs, return touching. I will simply back off and stand tall after i say something. I am trying to see if she will in fact try to stand taller to talk to me, this is usually a sign of comfort as for her to reach my ear her body will be getting very close to mine, she will also have to place a hand on either my shoulder, hip or chest to avoid falling into me ( another sign of interest and comfort) especially on the chest. ( chest touch as she speaks to you is also an indication of sexual attraction)

If she is showing interest with quick responses, laughter, eye contact and touching. You have established your primary goals. It is now time to move in for the kill.

This is the ideal time to try to get the girl to move away from the spot you are in. Whats important about this is her willingness to move even if only 10 ft away, it is in fact showing her comfort and interest in you. But I do suggest you try to get her to another side of the bar ( asking her to go for a drink or somewhere else where you can hear each other better) while guiding her. I Find holding her hand to be very beneficial in establishing comfort. Always take the lead.

(Psychologically, holding hands to a woman can be an intimate action)

I will also sometimes get a girl to place her hand in my back pocket or get her to put a couple of fingers in my belt loop at the back of my pants, as I lead her to another place. As we are walking, i find this a good time to show my fun side, with some dancing as we walk ( hip movement is a good way to get reactions of sexual intent from her) usually cutting through a dance floor can be lots of fun, also showing your playful side.

At this point it's safe to say there is mutual interest, it is now time to create some sexual intrigue. But be careful, you still don't have the deal sealed. ( not even close) I am not big on public signs of affection as I may be returning to this club and dont want other potential PU's to see. So i will not start a make out session unless I am certain of a take home scenario. I like to "appear" to others as I am just being friendly with any girl I am spending time with, but within our encounter I am surely working it. ;)

As we get to other location, this is when i will usually increase the sexual tension. A good sign of her acceptance is placing your hand on her hip as you talk to her. If she doesn't make a hesitant gesture or any reaction what so ever, it's a great sign.

At this time, any compliment or comment usually has a sexual undertone. Because comfort and mutual attraction is already set, I will now become some what challenging, i will keep it fun, but will be heavy on the sexual indications. Any friendly banter has now become intimate. Every exchange of words will have heavy touching and close contact.

This is the make it or break it time. ( i have observed a lot of guys messing up big time at the point, spending the too much extended time on a girl that is not going home with him) It is now time to discuss where this is going. I will usually ask her what her intentions are for the rest of the night. I will come right out and ask what she is doing after this bar, if she has obligations to her friends, if she can just leave whenever she likes, if she lives alone, from town...etc etc. And of course if she wants to hang out afterwards.


Her responses will dictate whether or not I will be spending more time with her or just secure the digits and move along.


If It is obvious that we are not continuing the encounter that night. I will tend to bring her somewhere, even more private to secure the digits and give her a nice kiss. ( Don't want other potential PU's to see me making out with a girl) The intention is always to get the one night stand, but in my experience, this is not as common as one would think, no matter how good your game is. That being said, once i know i am not getting her home. I will back off a little with the sexuality and secure another encounter, on another date.

Note: It is very important to know when to back off with your attempt to get her home. There is nothing wrong with being persistent but there is always a plateau and knowing when you have reached it can be instrumental to getting follow up sex. Being too pushy can often end up in your not getting a second encounter. ( this is commonly known as, the next day brush off) To avoid this situation it is wise to start to show your sweet side, be a gentleman.

This is the time I will usually find a way out. Make up some sort of reason why i have to get back to my friends but will be sure to show complete interest in hooking up again. ( keeping as many women on the hook as you can, will ensure you of consistent sex on your off days from the clubs)

I Like to have as many women on the go as possible, outside of the club without going insane (lol)

The time spent here would of been approximately 20-50 minutes, so even after all my pre-game observations, I should still have more then ample time for more approaches, due to my pre-game observations I can now find another mark that i have successfully read. ( somewhere far away from where she and her friends were hanging out.) i will usually walk her back to her friends, and say something like. " I really enjoyed getting to know her and I look forward to spending more time with her in the near future" ( to keep her intrigued, i will have usually already suggested me showing her my skills in cooking or massage. ( excellent tools for future encounters)

Common mistakes I have made in the past:

Spending too much time with a girl i was not taking home. (Reading the signs and knowing when to get out, are very important for your time management)
Heavy petting and making out in the club( if you are going to frequent the club, it is important to not be seen as a player, I am big on dancing so i tend to get a lot of women observing me, if they see me making out with a bunch of different chicks, it can hamper future attempts)
Knowing when an approach isn't working and not keeping it friendly and short ( by keeping a failed approach friendly, it allows you to bump into this girl again on another date. I have noticed over the years that some women like to be pursued, they may not give you the signs the first time you meet them but if you see them again as you frequent the club, being friendly can often result in future pick ups)

I strongly believe in my pre-game observations, they allow me to move around with an objective and a confident swagger. After assessing the environment thoroughly, It allows me to stay in my pick up mode with stealth and efficiency.

Keep your eyes peeled, look for the signs and move in with confidence.

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This is an inner game question I guess, but here it goes anyway:

Im going on a trip this weekend with a few friends, a place that its gonna be crowded.
I wont have a place to stay, we`ll sleep in the car.

So if I wanna lay a girl, what should be my mind state in order for her to take me home? =)

Logistics is a problem here, but I can do it on the beach if its for me, thou wont be too comfty.

I have a few lays on me and Im also "ok" on looks, not hot, not ugly.


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Please ignore the haters.

I am learning a lot from and really enjoying this thread. Thanks for your posts! Great advice...


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This is an inner game question I guess, but here it goes anyway:

Im going on a trip this weekend with a few friends, a place that its gonna be crowded.
I wont have a place to stay, we`ll sleep in the car.

So if I wanna lay a girl, what should be my mind state in order for her to take me home? =)

Logistics is a problem here, but I can do it on the beach if its for me, thou wont be too comfty.

I have a few lays on me and Im also "ok" on looks, not hot, not ugly.
Ok first off, I would be in the mind set that you have nowhere to sleep, and your intentions are to find a bed ( a girls bed) I often when younger would thrust myself into this predicament. ( I would leave my friends, strand myself, just to force myself to work hard on finding a bed)

But this doesn't matter, if a woman is down, you can fuck anywhere, especially if its a warm climate. Although a beach may seem romantic and ideal for sex, it really isn't, sand can be a huge issue and often make sex painful and uncomfortable ( if the beach is one of your options, be sure to bring 2 extra blankets as well as a sleeping bag, place both blankets on the sand, then both of you go into the sleeping bag)


If you are going somewhere that is full of tourist, this can be extremely fun. Focus on the woman, don't worry about your sleeping arrangements.

Tourist mentality is amazing for pick up, there is an extreme amount of positive energy and women are much more free with everything. I find the further away women are from home, the more free they become. ( great for one night stands)

Even women in relationships will have sexual encounters while on vacation. ( this is a sad truth)

Keeping the tourist mentality in mind, you can be a little more aggressive with sexual advances, a great draw for end of the night encounters is the " walk on the beach" it's a great way to get a girl on her own. To test her comfort with you while on the beach, you can suggest going in the water. Be sure to bring towels and blankets.

In summary:

Keep focus on getting into a bed, ( being forced can often trigger your survival response and trigger your inner wit) if you have created comfort and sexual interest, do not be afraid to tell her you have nowhere to sleep. Telling her that you decided to come there on a whim, a completely spontaneous action. ( younger women love this quality in a man)

Be friendly to everyone. The "lost puppy" angle can work very well in this situation.

I once stayed in Daytona beach for an extra week ( after my friends went home) with nowhere at all to stay. I relied on my wit and survival instinct. I never once had to sleep outside. ;)

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