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This is one girl's opinion. One girl cannot bottom line everything. But this is nothing we don't already know. Girls want someone who is presentable and they are not embarrassed to be seen with. Just like we do.

Yea and remember women opinions don't mean shit...they don't even know what attracted them to guys initially... it was just for fun...
I agree female dating advice, for the most part has no credibility, but women do know what attracts them to men initially and it's their looks eg. I used to work with this woman who is only attracted to tall men, and have a guess how tall the man she is now married to?, 6ft 5".


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pfft. this thread is an energy drainer. you telling me that man was (apparently) able to fly to and walk on the moon yet getting a woman into bed is impossible because he looks like an arab.

as agentprovocateur would say: get real.


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pfft. this thread is an energy drainer. you telling me that man was (apparently) able to fly to and walk on the moon yet getting a woman into bed is impossible because he looks like an arab.

as agentprovocateur would say: get real.
Thats not really a good analogy lol.

Only a few select men were able to walk on the moon. Selected for their natural and learned gifts and skills.

Not anybody could walk on the moon or go on the mission, and we wouldnt send just anyone.

So you were saying? :D


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pfft. this thread is an energy drainer. you telling me that man was (apparently) able to fly to and walk on the moon yet getting a woman into bed is impossible because he looks like an arab.

as agentprovocateur would say: get real.
LMAO AMEN....how the hell you gonna fly to the moon and not get a woman? You probably could get some woman just by telling her that


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pfft. this thread is an energy drainer. you telling me that man was (apparently) able to fly to and walk on the moon yet getting a woman into bed is impossible because he looks like an arab.

as agentprovocateur would say: get real.
^ amen to that.

And the funny thing is he says "mistaken for an arab"...

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Ive read enough of this thread. The OP is a lot like me. He does not listen. He is stubborn. He whines about his situation. He blames others. He doesnt see the flaws in his reasoning. He is like me because I have not changed. I am like him and have not had success. He posts like how Ive been posting half the posts on this forum myself. Im sick of this annoying guy. To realize he sounds just like me is just disgusting because the one difference is I have actual belief that PUA works the only thing is I find myself blaming others like him. The real reason for my lack of success is a grand total of about 3 to 4 semi-approaches in my lifetime and a years worth of PUA theory and bs like this OP is doing now. Spend hours a week arguing with PUAs and blaming others. Approach once a year. Fck You OP. You are too ignorant. Im sick of being like this guy and complaining on hours on this forum to maybe magically get a solution from another poster on here. But even if you do get helpful advice, you will never admit it. You will just give it a neutral 'meh' and continue your complaining. Because that is how you get the most out of things. These people on here will continue to help you because they are nice people and put up with your pages of whining but not me anymore. I know all this to be true because I have done it countless times before on this forum. No longer.
You are so wrong it's not even funny, if you had bothered to have read any my posts you will know I have tried different types of approaches, and at least I have approached more than 200 woman, which is much better than your piss poor effort.

I don't profess to be an expert on dating/seduction/ women etc, but I can only be 100% honest about what I see goes on in the real world of dating, not whacky PUA theories. And what I see is that women chase the best looking men, and totally ignore other men, even if those other men had better, more engaging personalities.

If telling the truth makes me a whiner or stubborn, then so be it, but the fact remains I can discredit PUA so easily it's not even funny, and it's not because I am smarter than anyone else, no, I am only of modest to average intelligence, but I know bullshit when I see it.
Yes, you alone can discredit PUA. LOOKOUT GUYS THE JIG IS UP. TIME TO PACK UP AND GO HOME. Just because YOU have been burned for so long does not make your subjective experiences an objective truth. You are only spouting what YOU believe to be truth.

If women supposedly "chase" the best looking men, then why is it that one of my friends who is constantly told he is good looking still a virgin? Shouldn't women be all over his nuts? He never gets approached by girls and is always very shy when he interacts with them. But by your logic that shouldn't matter. And my friend who looks like a fatter, uglier version of Seth Rogan, has a girlfriend who is a 7/8. Shouldn't he be with some frumpy ass chick? The "reality" is that even though YOU may think looks make the world go around for girls, for the majority if them, they don't. I have seen what you would deem as "truth" in my every day life of this.


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pfft. this thread is an energy drainer. you telling me that man was (apparently) able to fly to and walk on the moon yet getting a woman into bed is impossible because he looks like an arab.

as agentprovocateur would say: get real.
Thats not really a good analogy lol.

Only a few select men were able to walk on the moon. Selected for their natural and learned gifts and skills.

Not anybody could walk on the moon or go on the mission, and we wouldnt send just anyone.

So you were saying? :D
my point being man achieved what was considered impossible. walking on the moon was the pinnacle of human achievement at the time.

so someone telling me he cannot attract a woman based on his 'arabness' tells me he is either having a laugh or somewhat misguided.


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pfft. this thread is an energy drainer. you telling me that man was (apparently) able to fly to and walk on the moon yet getting a woman into bed is impossible because he looks like an arab.

as agentprovocateur would say: get real.
Thats not really a good analogy lol.

Only a few select men were able to walk on the moon. Selected for their natural and learned gifts and skills.

Not anybody could walk on the moon or go on the mission, and we wouldnt send just anyone.

So you were saying? :D
midlife, RK is referring to mans ability to accomplish great feats... Whereas conquering one woman in a lifetime is hardly that. Come on think about the posts before putting them down man....

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I'd really like the OP to respond to MY first post in this thread.... I have some free time before I have to go out and meet three HB8-9s I closed and would have never met if it wasn't for this forum....

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pfft. this thread is an energy drainer. you telling me that man was (apparently) able to fly to and walk on the moon yet getting a woman into bed is impossible because he looks like an arab.

as agentprovocateur would say: get real.
Thats not really a good analogy lol.

Only a few select men were able to walk on the moon. Selected for their natural and learned gifts and skills.

Not anybody could walk on the moon or go on the mission, and we wouldnt send just anyone.

So you were saying? :D

my point being man achieved what was considered impossible. walking on the moon was the pinnacle of human achievement at the time.

so someone telling me he cannot attract a woman based on his 'arabness' tells me he is either having a laugh or somewhat misguided.
He hasnt complained as much about his Arabness as he ugliness.

And if he is Arab and trying to game white women, he will have a harder time, no doubt about it. Not so much they think hes ugly but more cause they dont want to be with a different ethnic group.

Indian women usually dont mix with white guys, ive tried, one nearly got me married to her, but many dont just date like americans do.

So maybe he needs to game his own kind, but arabs are usually harder to game too, they are more marriage minded.

I see alot of indian guys who always want white girls, cause white girls are freer and dont have the religion thing to deal with. But the Indians dont realize often that the white women dont want them.

Ive date a few spanish women, the puerto ricans are fine, but the cultured ones from south american countries who come here are different. They aint about fucking for one nigh


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pfft. this thread is an energy drainer. you telling me that man was (apparently) able to fly to and walk on the moon yet getting a woman into bed is impossible because he looks like an arab.

as agentprovocateur would say: get real.
Thats not really a good analogy lol.

Only a few select men were able to walk on the moon. Selected for their natural and learned gifts and skills.

Not anybody could walk on the moon or go on the mission, and we wouldnt send just anyone.

So you were saying? :D
midlife, RK is referring to mans ability to accomplish great feats... Whereas conquering one woman in a lifetime is hardly that. Come on think about the posts before putting them down man....
yes but what did you or I do to help man walk on the moon, jack shit thats what.

Great minds made it possible, great minds are rarer than natural players.


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No, I am not looking for a pat on the back or any ones sympathy, I don't deserve it, don't want it, and don't need it. And it's funny how you mentioned suicide, I know of men (not personally) who have taken their own lives because they couldn't attract women, and I honestly believe many men who do take their own lives do so because they are lonely and feel helpless.

I do have good social skills, I used to work in a job where I had to deal with all types of people, so I had to know how to both relate and communicate with people, and although I am normally a pretty shy and reserved person, but once I get to know them I do open up and I can talk the legs off a chair. But communication is a two way street, what good are my conversational skills if a woman I am talking to is turning her back on me?, gives me the silent SPAM?, and makes no attempt to participate in the conversation? What you PUAs don't understand is that you cannot force a woman to like you, if a woman is giving me bad body language, she is a non verbal way telling me to get lost, and when that has happened to me, I got the message real fast and walked away, what else can you do? (and no, it wasn't one of those mythical shit tests you PUAs go on about).

With regards to improving my looks,as I have mentioned previously I have lost a lot of weight by going to the gym and eating right, and for my age I at least have a decent body, where most other men have beer bellies or are obese.
Dude then what are you looking for with your OP? Cuase it looks like you're just looking to blow off steam or for people to agree with you.

Personally, I don't know you, I only know what you wrote; and that's what you want people to know of you. I know you're insecure and have low self-esteem. The reasons why you do would probably best be handled by a professional therapist and not on an internet forum (no disrespect to this forum I think it's great).

And personally, if what you have written is true and you have only slept with prostitutes in your life, then you definitely need professional help. Because, you weren't always 40-something and you weren't always bald. You were younger once. So these are just things that have come with time but have not changed the fact that you cannot interact with women.

And if I choose to believe you and believe you have good social skills, I'll say you are (curiously) over-estimating yourself in this respect. Because from how you have interacted with a lot of helpful people over the last 10 pages, you have only showed confrontational skills. And if this is also how you also interact with women, then your lack of success comes as no surprise to me. Don't blame it on anythng else.

Seek help dude not argumentes and open your mind. Peace.
Thanks Dr Phil, and no I don't need therapy or any of your shaming langauge and insults. I know how to interact with women, or anybody else for that matter, I have mainly worked with women most of my life, and got along with virtually all of them famously.

I am not confrontational at all, but at the same time I am not someone who gets brainwashed easily, unlike many of these PUA fanboys who claim they are good with women, but probably couldn't score a fuck in a brothel with fist full of fifties, at least I am honest about my cursed luck with women.

What's wrong with seeing prostitues?, they provide a coping mechanism for lonely men like me, and contrary to media stereotypes most men who see hookers are actually married men, and whenever I see hookers I treat with the upmost respect and kindness and they appreciate that.

But to answer your intial question, all I have wanted in life is to meet one woman (I am not player, casanova, serial womaniser etc), that I could settle down with and enjoy a happy relationship, I am not looking for a HB10 or a supermodel, as these women are out of my league, but I value a womans personality more than her looks.

There are many men in my predicament, I know of 40 to 50+ year old men who are virgins, or have never had girlfriends, and no, they are not deformed, smell bad or are creeps, they are just decent guys who have simply been dealt a bad hand in life (like I have). It seems that as a man if you admit to being challenged by dating, the PUA industry, its fanboys, women and society unfairly demonise you and slander you with insults and shaming language.

The old saying that "there's someone for everybody" is a myth, and sadly some men through no fault of their own, will die alone.


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I'd really like the OP to respond to MY first post in this thread.... I have some free time before I have to go out and meet three HB8-9s I closed and would have never met if it wasn't for this forum....
Assuming you are being truthful, but then again I am very skeptical about anything that comes from the PUA community, you only got those "HB8-9s", because you are probably a good looking guy, not PUA quackery, don't kid yourself mate.


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Thats not really a good analogy lol.

Only a few select men were able to walk on the moon. Selected for their natural and learned gifts and skills.

Not anybody could walk on the moon or go on the mission, and we wouldnt send just anyone.

So you were saying? :D

my point being man achieved what was considered impossible. walking on the moon was the pinnacle of human achievement at the time.

so someone telling me he cannot attract a woman based on his 'arabness' tells me he is either having a laugh or somewhat misguided.
He hasnt complained as much about his Arabness as he ugliness.

And if he is Arab and trying to game white women, he will have a harder time, no doubt about it. Not so much they think hes ugly but more cause they dont want to be with a different ethnic group.

Indian women usually dont mix with white guys, ive tried, one nearly got me married to her, but many dont just date like americans do.

So maybe he needs to game his own kind, but arabs are usually harder to game too, they are more marriage minded.

I see alot of indian guys who always want white girls, cause white girls are freer and dont have the religion thing to deal with. But the Indians dont realize often that the white women dont want them.

Ive date a few spanish women, the puerto ricans are fine, but the cultured ones from south american countries who come here are different. They aint about fucking for one nigh
I am not an Arab, I was born in Australia of Italian parents, but mistaken for an Arab, or a man of Middle Eastern Appearance.


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Thats not really a good analogy lol.

Only a few select men were able to walk on the moon. Selected for their natural and learned gifts and skills.

Not anybody could walk on the moon or go on the mission, and we wouldnt send just anyone.

So you were saying? :D

my point being man achieved what was considered impossible. walking on the moon was the pinnacle of human achievement at the time.

so someone telling me he cannot attract a woman based on his 'arabness' tells me he is either having a laugh or somewhat misguided.
He hasnt complained as much about his Arabness as he ugliness.

And if he is Arab and trying to game white women, he will have a harder time, no doubt about it. Not so much they think hes ugly but more cause they dont want to be with a different ethnic group.

Indian women usually dont mix with white guys, ive tried, one nearly got me married to her, but many dont just date like americans do.

So maybe he needs to game his own kind, but arabs are usually harder to game too, they are more marriage minded.

I see alot of indian guys who always want white girls, cause white girls are freer and dont have the religion thing to deal with. But the Indians dont realize often that the white women dont want them.

Ive date a few spanish women, the puerto ricans are fine, but the cultured ones from south american countries who come here are different. They aint about fucking for one nigh
enabling OP is not really what he needs:

You are talking about SOME women. Not ALL.

and my point about the moon is that man has shown the impossible can be achieved. an ugly arab somewhere on this planet i am willing to wager has bedded a hot woman.

but first the intent has to be there. if there is no intent man achieves nothing.


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