damn I may have to find a female mastermind before my plans work, that could be cool though, probably good for morale and would stop confusion as to who is who hmmm good

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just fuck her. who gives a shit????

don't let religion control you

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Looking to meet up with people in Scotland to get my PUA skills on the go.

haha... go to Ireland and say that

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If your going to question me, you better have a theory behind your argument.

"Never be bullied into silence. Never allow yourself to be made a victim. Accept no one's definition of your life; define yourself."
-Harvey Fierstein

false. unless a recessive mutated gene was present in the first mix. if all your genes are awesome, there would be zero chance for a mutated child.

and compromised immune system would be more the issue...potentially.

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Yeah, and if God is real that'll fuck up his chances at going to Heaven....... I dont know about you but I think eternity in Heaven would be a better choice than a one night stand, fucking up, and........yeah...

Anyway though yeah, I'm Catholic, pray, and read the Bible. This is part of the reason I dont do one night stands.

Corey in a religious stand point whats the difference between having a ONS and having sex with a girl friend

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If your going to question me, you better have a theory behind your argument.

"Never be bullied into silence. Never allow yourself to be made a victim. Accept no one's definition of your life; define yourself."
-Harvey Fierstein

I suppose I was speaking solely from a christian perspective. I am a Catholic and can only really speak about my experience and my perspective.

Now as for the whole slave comment. I don't understand why this is always some guy who feels the need to "free me" from my religious imprisonment. I chose to be Catholic. I spent a great deal of time when I was growing up researching various belief systems and philosophies, and eventually after a great deal of soul searching decided to be Catholic. So how am I a slave. I chose my religion freely. I am not naive or brainwashed in anyway. And I find it insulting that so many people see anyone who is the least bit religious as some kind of blind lemming.

Listen You have the right to believe in whatever you want. But what I always find interesting, is the need of a non-believer to challenge believers. If you were truly secure in whatever beliefs or non-beliefs you have, you wouldn't need to challenge others. I don't impose my beliefs on anyone, or criticize anyone else's. I know what I believe in, and what other people believe in has no effect on mine whatsoever.
I doubt if radical Muslim extremists or die-hard ultra-conservative Christians would agree with you. IDEALS are subjective toward those who follow each particular religion. The way you view the IDEALS of Christianity and Islam, is going to be completely different from how devout followers sees them. There is no concrete set of IDEALS for any religion, its all in how you take it. This is why most religions have varying sects or denominations. Just because you can't see the impasse between sexuality and the religions of the world, doesn't mean they don't exist.
And I hate people who believe that they are somehow smarter or more free thinking than everybody else. You are not the first person who sees religion the way you do, and you will not be the last.

yep i read up on it your right, however i was reading a few articles and they stated that without two different types of genetic DNA the species that is being cloned has a great risk of mutations and abnormalities, and in order for evolution that species cant all be genetically identical.

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If your going to question me, you better have a theory behind your argument.

"Never be bullied into silence. Never allow yourself to be made a victim. Accept no one's definition of your life; define yourself."
-Harvey Fierstein

Theoretically if you are just viewing it from a sinful perspective, the two sins are equal. But what makes it different is intention behind it. A ONS is about using another person solely for your gratification. Whereas a relationship is about connecting and loving another person. One weakens your love for fellow human beings, whereas the other builds upon it. And since God is "love", one moves you further away from God, whereas the other can bring you closer (even if it is technically sinful in nature).

For me, the way I see it is I follow one simple rule that I learned from an philosophy class I took: Treat people as ends and not means. Basically enjoy people as people and don't try to exploit them for ulterior motives. Women are wonderful and beautiful creatures, and I believe that it is only natural for me to want to connect to them on a sexual level. But I don't see them as holes, I see them as wholes. A whole being, with a mind, spirit, and body. To ignore the other elements of a woman, would simply be me robbing myself of a much deeper experience.
This is because as DNA is replicated, it is often copied wrong. The cells have ways of checking DNA, but not all mistakes can be caught. If a clone was made repetitively, these mistakes would compound and genetic aberrations/ deformities would occur. Supplying new DNA into the gene pool ensures that undamaged DNA is available, and thereby minimizes deformities. This is also the way in which evolution occurs. If a deformity turns out to be a beneficial trait, it will survive and populate easier.

Why is an ONS only about gratification. ONS do not need to be un-loving actions all about physical gratification.

Hell thier are plenty of people hwho have felt stonger emotions of compassion towards ONS, than some others have felt for their spouses!

So which situation describes love their?

It's sex and love are far more diverse than they are often portrayed.

I really like that perspective!
IMO, a ONS doesn't necessarily have to be about moving away from love and sex within a LTR doesn't necessarily have to be about moving toward love. I think any and all sex can be a practice of moving toward love, or God, as many people call it.

You are also aware I wasn't referring to you, as you obviously spent time thinking about it. thus you wouldn't be one of those slaves.

And as you have spent time actually researching, then you would also know about the abundance of lies among the established religions.

And Ideals meaning "be a generally good person" and the like. no religion strays from that, yet many that ARE the actual 'slaves' to religion actually lose sight of what that actually means.


The kind of people I'm talking about as being 'slaves' are the people that never questioned, but simply listened to what was presented to them by their parents and accepted regardless. the kind of people that don't know that the story of Jesus is a fairly solid rip of the story of Hercules (minus Hydra and the like), or that Christmas is on the day it is because that was the former pagan Day of the Sun. that kind of thing.

The people that think their religion is correct when they have never spent any time attempting to disprove or verify, which, you described yourself as not being.


hooray for delusions of persecution.

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how would that fuck his chances up? giving a girl pleasure that she wants.

its not like rape.

besides, i'm quite certain the christian/catholic god forgives ALL sins as long as you accept him as your god.



lucky for me, the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't care about sexual relations. =D

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Abundance of lies? Established religions?
You can't bundle all religions into one great pile and just average them out like you did. Each religion is a unique and utterly personal way of viewing and worshiping a creator (or enlightenment in the case of Buddhism). You can't judge another person's belief system so callously, and then claim that it is bad simply because it happens to be an established religion. Everyone is going to have their own way of thinking, so just accept that most of the time it isn't going to match yours.
The Ideals of most religions isn't to "be a generally good person", the ideals of most religions is to please whatever God you worship. And pleasing your God is going to mean something very different depending on what religion you are following. To a christian committing acts of terrorism is not being a "generally good person", but to a radical Muslim extremist it guarantees his way to heaven, which to him is "being a generally good person". There is no concrete of definitive definition of being a "generally good person". It all depends on your ethics, and your ethics depend on your beliefs, and most of the time your beliefs depend on your religion and society.
You mean the fact that Hercules was half-man and half-god, born of a God and a human woman. Despite the fact that there was no mention of a virgin birth in the story of Hercules' birth, and that Jesus was the product of immaculate conception, rather than a god having sex with a woman. Nor do most denominations (Catholic included) see Jesus as half-man and half-god, but rather God born to a human body being fully God while at the same time fully man. And the fact that Hercules did nothing prophetic or was crucified in any way. Fail to see how that is a fairly solid rip off, but rather a coincidence, seeing as how there have been innumerable religions over time, and they are bound to have some similarities.
And as for the day of Christmas, obviously the exact day isn't known and even if it was it wouldn't coincide with our modern Gregorian calender. The early church purposefully placed many of their holidays to coincide with pagan celebrations as a way to kinda cleanse the days and convert more pagans to Christianity.
Nope. In many christian denominations sins aren't simply ignored, but rather must be amended for (like with confession for Catholics for example). Many believe that you can only get to heaven based upon your faith, this is know as the belief of "Sole Fide", Latin for "Faith Alone". Some believe that you are saved simply by your baptism. Some believe that people are predestined from birth to either go to heaven or hell. Some believe there are only a certain amount of spots in heaven. Some believe that you can only get to heaven by spreading the good news and converting people. And still others believe that at the end of time, God will judge you one by one, on every action you take, and will ultimately decide if the good deeds you did on earth outweigh the evil ones. Every religion is different and unique.
I knew you weren't talking about me specifically. That doesn't matter. I'm not angry based on who the comments were directed toward, but rather the condescending and arrogant manner they were said in. I don't care if you are religious or not, but I can't stand people who try to put other people down for their beliefs. If you think people are slaves, than think they are slaves. But why do you feel like some spiritual Harriet Tubman? Leave them be. Did you even consider that religion might be a very integral part of their lives and even psychology? Maybe they need it and it's good for them, just not for you. But there is no reason or benefit to you, condescending other people's most cherished beliefs. Not to mention there is a possibility that you are the one that is wrong, and they are the ones who are right. You act as though you have some kind of proof against religion, when all you really have is opinion.

I agree, but for argument's sake I did not include these scenarios. I wanted to give a clear and quick answer to a simple question. And if I included these scenarios, I'm pretty sure my point would have been lost.

Seeing as how my religion teaches to strive for a universal love toward all people. I can of course see how any connection to another human being could be a source of love. Even if it is fleeting or sinful in nature, it could still be a source of love. But I had to generalize. Most ONS aren't acts of love. Most are acts of lust and convenience.

Very true. In my religion sex is believed to be one of the most powerful and holy acts that can be done. Through sex we are given a co-creatorship with God. Basically through sex God has given us the ability to create life, to create a soul, to bring a being into existence. Through sex, we are given the power of life itself. We have the power to create, just as God created us. So in a sense, we believe that having sex is the closest thing to being like God.