Is all of this REALLY worth it in the end?



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2016 12:15 pm 
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Hey, guys! Sorry, it was longer than I was expecting...

I have been reading a lot about Inner Game, Openers, Relationships, PeaCocking, Cocky&Funny, Working Out, Grooming, being very Social and other similar concepts that are necessary to be attractive to women.

Albeit I have read a LOT of really interesting information (not only about these topics, but also learning about Female Nature, Hypergamy, you name it), one question seemed to be bothering me more and more, and that question is: is all of this REALLY worth it? The way I see it, women in dating don't really have to try as hard as men - while we have to better ourselves, always improve constantly without an end point, be confident, assertive and, ideally, have a decent career and significant amount of wealth (and let's face it - all of this is really hard work, especially when you are told that you HAVE to do it constantly), women, on the other hand, seem to have to work much less - they have to "look pretty" (which can be easily achieved by make up), smile and show up. That's basically it.

I mean, sure, some things that are being rightfully so encoureged here indeed do increase the overall quality of one's life (I my subjective opinion, Inner "Game" (or, as I would call it, "Self-Worth") and Working Out being the most important), but a lot of things also seem to be much more bothersome than rewarding, especially if they come unnaturally to you.

For instance, I am not a very social person, so this idea that I have to be very social in order to be successful with women makes me feel like a loser. I hate being competitive as I find that most of the greatest achievent and progress can (and have been) made not only because of competition, but also cooperation. Still, in this world and in PUA world, competition seems to be not only acknowledged, but even encouraged. Personally, I find competition not fun at all and it stresses me out immensely. I find most women (and, to be honest, most men) boring, uninteresting and unintellectual, and it is very difficult for me to hide it. Personally don't care about careers and achievement, as I see the world to be only the sum of appearences anyway and social status the way it is understood nowadays and on this forum seems to be an illusion and very often lacks some kind of substinence behind it. Fake, too.

As you can read from my nick, I label as an Omega Male. I don't try to kid myself into calling myself an Alpha or whatever. I admit that I am a fat hairy neckbeard nerd, who is more interested in the "abstract" (world, science, society, etc.) rather than the "concrete" (cars, careers, social status and whatnot). I am 25 years old, I have had sex 6 women (none of them for money; sure, it might be very tiny amount by your standards, but people who know me would be a little surprised that I am not a virgin) and I have come to the conclusion that I tend to put much more into getting a girl to be with me and fuck me, but what I get is less than what I put into getting the girl, and this is doubly true if I were to take into account relationships past the honeymoon phase (which tends to last very short for my relationships). The total cost seems to be much greater than the desired reward.

You see, what I want from women is basically only 2 things: sex and cuddling watching Netflix in the evenings, which I like very much. That's it. Well, intellectual stimulating conversation would be nice, too. I don't care about having my clothes washed or my food made. But in order for me to get the 2 (3 would be ideal, but I would be willing to compromise on intellectualism) things I want, I need to "go through" a lot of crap - starting from becoming attractive, like grooming, becoming social, losing weight (I like going to the gym, however, which is a plus), you name it; continuing to actually getting a girl (approaching, asking them out, being cocky&funny, listening to their uninteresting BS, entertaining them, always initiating, which annoys me, TBH and other stuff) and finishing by actually keeping a girl (I don't really care about having multiple women and plates - 1 woman I truly like and even love would be enough) - which means that I need to deal with their drama, pass their shit tests, to always retain my frame, never show weakness.

Its just all this effort seems to be too much just to getting a girl. So, I have decided that fuck it. I'll just be myself, not care about trivial stuff most people tend to care very greatly about, and just do what makes me satisfied, like hanging out with buddies playing poker and eating pizza/drinking bear, play video games, be satisfied with a job that doesn't stress me out, but whose pay is not that good, and replace women with a "RealDoll", which provides me with much happiness and I no longer have the urge to actually chase pussy in the first place as I no longer am "thirsty".

(After Post Addition: interestingly, after I got my "RealDoll", I would no longer be satisfied with average woman, especially considering that women age. I mean, sure, it would be great if a gorgeous woman would agree with have sex with me and cuddle watching Netflix without any demands, but it, of course, is unrealistic, and, considering the quality of women I realistically am able to attract, "RealDoll" satisfies me decently. But I digress...)

Anyway, so whatabout you? You seem to be very experienced with women, and I want to ask: are women (I am talking about average women with issues that tend to be common in most women - and I am not talking about some kind of "cool, sexy unicorn") REALLY worth ALL this effort that seem to be required from us? Are there more guys who are feeling like this?

The reason I ask is that I wonder whether it might be just me, who is unattractive strange INTP omega male, and for "normal, social, cool guys" a lot of the effort that are needed to get women comes naturally, hence the "cost" of getting women is considerably cheaper.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:16 pm 
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TL;DR all of it, but I think I get what you are asking...

Anyone that says that you have to be a certain way if you're going to be a PUA is out of their mind. The bottom line is you have to know how to be your best self and make it a goal to be your best self if you want to be good at this. What does that mean? Have your shit together (or have the drive to) and be confident because of it. If you start approaching women while having that mindset you'll have a hard time not having women respond to you.

Anyone that says you HAVE to be competitive, or an alpha male, or do anything that requires fundamentally changing you and your core values is full of shit unless you carry traits that are unattractive to women.

Quit worrying about learning more and approach. You'll figure out more doing that than you will from most of the PUA material. Once you hit a sticking point, ask about it and then a lot of the guys around here will give you another perspective.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:27 pm 
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There is a movement called MGTOW that is full of fat, unhappy, and irresponsible losers who all share this same sentiment. And ironically enough they find the majority of the world lacking intellect, and boring as well. The same guys who play video games all day long and masturbate to porn. Does it get anymore boring then living that repetitious life? If this is your definition of intellect and interesting, I could only chuckle.

It to me sounds like you're a victim of this world. You've been over saturated with stimulation and dopamine production from things like porn, video games, and whatever else you do that you're body's dopamine receptors aren't working efficiently enough for you to enjoy life anymore. And you know whats next? People like this get to a point when they say whats the point of life anymore? Video games offers you no benefit outside of the rush and excitement of the moment. It pleases no one but yourself. And excess masturbation and lack of physical contact with reduce you feeling like your life even matters anymore. I don't know what an omega male is, this sounds lower than beta if you ask me. This is apathy, and its border line disgusting.

We all have our own personal philosophy for why we wake up everyday, or at least we should.. But why do you?

And don't be so foolish to think that you're current thoughts are a reflection of anything but the way you choose to carry yourself, and your lack of having women, friends, or fulfillment thats up to standard. Your body will effect your mind, your mind and your mind will effect your spirit. You change your diet and start to shed a few pounds and the way you see the world will begin to change as well. You currently think like every other guy that looks like you. Theres nothing new or original about this. You guys are being shit on by the system and don't even see it.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 1:17 pm 
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To me it is.

Since becoming a PUA and reading about it online, I've changed my life completely.

Now I'm not gonna lie, before becoming a PUA I was a skinny loser who spend 6-7hrs a day playing games, and I was doing poorly at school.

I just wanted to be better, and wanted to get chicks. So I started working out, stopped playing games, started going for runs regularly. Went out to parties with my cousin.

I can honestly say, after reading on this site and reading books, I am a more happier person.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 8:55 am 
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Obviously if you do nothing but spam approach your whole lives, you can't exactly expect any satisfaction in life...

But if you are buildling your life as a whole and women are part of the overall lifestyle it is satisfying.

Thing of it as the spam approach pua vs the lifestyle playboy. Playboy is alot happier hands down. Look at Hugh Hefner and Leonardo Dicaprio


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