Ethics - philisophical discussion of what is right or wrong. Moral correctness of a specified action.
The responsibilities of a PUA
"IS" an ethical discussion.
Courtship - tradional definition ---- what people do before engagement or marriage.
In the modern sense, in the modern definition of courtship, in the era of pre-marital sex, it includes dating, hooking-up, hanging out, pick-up up women etc, etc.
Pick - up is part of the modern definition of courtship. If you teach courtship, you teach pick - up which, you made a case in point. Teaching to pick - up does not mean teaching them to become pUA's which you are right. Very good.
I am not saying that your method is wrong, I am just saying that it is not my preference.
If your method works for you then it works for you and no one is imposing anything on you.
Pick-up is to increase success rate, to increase probability for whatever it is you were hoping to do with the ladies, being more efficient <<<--- On that case, TRue, another good point from you.
If your style is building trust, then fine. do whatever you want.
My point is, it was wrong to assume that all of us or that I rely building trust in human interactions.
Again, I am not saying one is better than the other but I am saying that we shouldn't be so close - minded and limiting to what we believe we should do.
I believe every bit helps.
I think your conflict stems from your self - limiting belief that "escalation absolutely does not build trust" which is causing a disconnect in the relationship between trust and escalation.
It is like being inside a box or It is like placing an invisible glass ceiling between what you can or can not do. This mental rift limits your pssibilities.
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It is dangerous to tell a newb to escalate before he builds trust as well by the way as he can end up in jail
-- based on the assumption that "you cannot build trust" through escalation and that trust and escalation can not exist in a parallel way.
What if this so called "escalation" is capable of operating indepedepently in the building of trust?
Trust is not only limited to moral or ethical trust.
Trust noun \ˈtrəst\ a : assured reliance on the character, ability, strength, or truth of someone or something.
But what character or ability does the women want to be reliably assured of? Is it not your confidence and strength to break her boundaries? Is it not your ability to feel comfortable in your own skin that she needs to be assured of?
If so, does that mean that it is possible to create trust independently just by using escalation?
If yes then, whats' the excuse?
WHAT i am saying is that escalation *CAN* build trust but it does not mean that it always could.
Based on your premise that your students and other newbs are .... erhhm how you say it in a polite way, "Not good in the head", I will agree that is dangerous based on that premise. But do not mistake that your method is the only viable method.
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