@GrayAdams

No decent nor intelligent person in attendance is going to think you're a homo for wanting that... and the opinions of those who are not don't matter anyway. Quite to the contrary, I find it difficult to regard your aspiration as anything other than a noble one, and guys on similar quests are in fact the reason I hope to at some point be proven wrong.

@Hobbit

Validity can certainly be found in that explanation whereas it concerns the 'trashbags' that are the aggressors... a la only the 'trashbags' are going to be initiating an interaction. What about when it is the other way around? I'm not sure what the exact percentage would have to be of trashbag to *theoretical* non-trashbag to be in accord with satisfying the consecutive number I've personally witnessed and experienced, but it would definitely be outrageously high...

I can certainly understand the principal of motivated reasoning, and in this particular case to avoid this I have tried to remain as open as possible and rely upon hard fact and numbers as often as is possible. I want you to know that I'm not here to merely spew propaganda in a vain attempt to convert others to my 'one true way' of seeing the world, quite the opposite. I *want* to be wrong, though the numbers and my experiences have yet to indicate another explanation and I am left waiting patiently. Thank you for your input and for respectfully disagreeing with me. It is most assuredly valued and a refreshing sight to behold. P.S. - don't get me started on Obama or healthcare

@Wagon

You must have been reading a response to my post from a bitter man who through unfortunate circumstances and experiences has come to hate women and suggested that men treat them as subhuman... which I find distasteful and is certainly not something I would ever advocate or endorse as I personally love the company of women. Had one of those individuals started this thread, your statements would seem much more relevant. Besides their disillusion and your "mongering hate" toward me because I have a different opinion than yours, I haven't noticed any hatred to speak of... and my original statement regarding respect or admiration is solely restricted to the scope of this ethical boundary we are discussing. In fact it just so happens to be that the greatest singer/songwriter of our time is a woman, and one for which I have the utmost respect and admiration for.

As for the relevancy of this discussion, it is just that: a discussion. A clash of ideas and opinions amongst those who want to chime in and offer pertinent information. At no point during my posts (though I admit a few misguided others have) do I indicate hatred for any group of people. As for your comparison of this debate to racism, let me point out one blaringly obvious difference: Even amongst the most intelligent of racists (for example: a racist alludes to a certain scientific study to back his theory that members of a certain race generally score lower on IQ tests), at best they can only generalize, because there are proven scientific exceptions to his claim (specific individuals belonging to this "less intelligent" racial group have scored higher on IQ tests than memebers of his own racial group, therefore his claim is merely speculation and has little foundation in science.) On the other hand, I am all for having my theory discredited, and I will abandon my conjecture as soon as I encounter a single exception in my "study." One example will be all I need to alter my perception - which you yourself have even stated would result in my theory then going the way of the absurd. I'm still waiting.

On a final note I'd like to point out the paradox attributed in your assessment of me, the "Champion of Women Haters." You subscribe to my self-admission of sociopathy in your post and then counter-intuitively attend that my misguided preaching is nothing more than the result of a vengeful crusade I've embarked upon in response to some bitter feelings lingering in my poor, broken heart from a day when I once longed for love yet received only rejection in return... sniff, sniff, sniff... you're bringing a tear to my vagina, please stop. No really... stop.

And whoever believes that empathy and rationale are in the same boat is beyond saving.

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Do I think women cheat more than men? Wait a minute... are you opening me?? J/k. It is impossible to say, because I am remaining open to the diminishing possibility that there is at least one woman who does not cheat - since I don't have all of the data I need to say for certain. (Of course no one really could anyway, it is impossible to meet everyone in the world.) But yes it is my guess based from the men and women I have known throughout my lifetime that they do, a conclusion I derive from this : I have known what I believe to be an even ratio of men and women. Of these groups, cheating behavior has been present in every woman, though I can not say this about the men. Granted, those men are not yet dead, so they could still fall into that category at some point, but a minority have not yet. As a side note, a woman actually explicitly stated in a response on this thread that a higher percentage of women do cheat than men.

I did indeed review your links and they are very informative. I believe everyone should read those articles, they are applicable to every person and aspect of life. I can only say that the scientist in me always endeavors to go about studying anything as objectively as is possible, whether I ultimately manage to do so or not.

Let's just say (and maybe my reasoning is flawed, that's just a matter of opinion) that I tend to assign value to certain characteristics, mainly integrity, and as I would see fidelity as a difficult and narrow path, those who walk such paths are inspiring to me. I am drawn to individuals whom I consider uniquely exceptional, in all aspects. Now more than ever, given the sheer number of those who are not, a woman who actually does manage to remain faithful in all things would really be something to behold... wouldn't you agree?

"Great" is such a truly subjective word... in my mind any relationship in which one or both parties is unfaithful I would regard as pointless, and leaves me to ponder why said person or persons(as may be the case) would even burden themself with the hassle of even pursuing a relationship. Since I have yet to encounter such a companionship, I find it impossible to think of any relationship as truly great, at least in modern society. Hope that helps.

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Oh yeah definitely... I've known people who've cheated for a wide variety of reasons, and quite often it has been to obtain some element missing in their current situation. Whether it is affection, attraction, adventure, or appreciation, they stray when someone comes along and gives it to them... and that's only covering the A's. This is most definitely a universally unisex scenario.

As far as I can tell, your assessment that there are more unhealthy relationships than healthy ones is completely congruent with what I've seen. I have the good fortune to work in an environment that exposes me to well over a hundred people on a daily basis, many of which are couples... and I can't even begin to tell you how many ugly incidents I've witnessed between them. There are by far many more brutal conflicts than there are expressions of affection. 9 out of 10 times these arguments have their origin in jealousy.

Unrelated but significant note - If I were able to conclude any one universal truth from these experiences, it is that what is taught in the seduction community is not an exaggeration(which is what I personally did believe when I first heard this)... a confident and secure man who does not in any way behave like an AFC is an exceptionally rare diamond from the perspective of any given woman. There are times I've exchanged nothing greater than a brief glance with a woman which resulted literally in an act of war from her onlooking boyfriend/husband, who would blame her and treat her as if she had just committed a war crime. Obviously, no one could blame a woman subjected to that situation on a consistent basis for wanting to be with someone else, nor a man for that matter - should the situation be reversed.

Excluding those situations - I suppose then this thread is my theory that there exist men who have all of their needs met in their relationship, are happy, have a strong logical willpower, and therefore do not posess an inkling of desire nor capacity to be unfaithful... and even should they be given reason (ex: unfaithful partner) to feel justified in cheating, would rather end their relationship respectfully than taint themselves and be lowered to their partner's quality of ethics. I have known men (though very few) like this. In (randomly as is provided by life's experiences & events) getting to know an equal amount of women as men throughout the years, I have yet to become aquainted with his female counterpart. That is both the basis for and sum of my entire argument/study, which would be concluded should such mythological creature be found.



"Women's virtue is man's greatest invention." - Cornelia Otis Skinner

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