This girl texts me at 2 AM.
And says that she needs
some help with her computer.

(I'm a PC whiz)

Here's how it went:

HB: Hey!!
ME: Hey, what are you doing up? Isn't it past your bed time?
HB: Nooo, I need help with my camera it won't connect.
ME: Well call me tomorrow, right now is not a great time.
HB: Is everything okay?
ME: Yeah, I'm just at a party and I decided not to drink. And I'm
just annoyed by all these dudes and chicks that are hitting on me.
HB: Alright, but I'll probably forget to call.
ME: Well try to remember and call me. In the mean time, get some
sleep; I can tell you're tired.
HB: hahaha how?
ME: Well, I don't know many people that try to upload pictures at 2:00 AM.
But it's okay. I'll see what I can do ofr you tomorrow when you REMEMBER to call me
HB: lol

And I didn't respond after that.

I threw negs and DHVs, but I still feel like she's making
me her tool. I keep avoiding helping her 'cause I don't
want to seem like someone she can just use at any time.

Anyways, she comes online the next day and says:

HB: Hey, Help me.
(exactly one minute passes and I didn't reply.)
HB: Or not.

*Signs out*

What the fuck is going on? I'm so confused. This is the
first time me encountering a situation like this.


Any ideas?

Dude....


Neg, neg, neg, neg and never never help her, until she gives you something first.

I know a number of females like this...

I used to go to an Industrial Art School (AiCA-SF to be exact). At this school the men far out number the guys and most of the guys have gone past AFC and are just pathetic...yes I called my fellow art brtoher pathetic.

Anyway this chick who ended up becoming a good friend for awhile, would do the exact thing, this HB is doing to you...

The key is the reject her every step of the way and neg her hardcore, and even ignore her. Do what all the guy aren't doing.

When she asked for help, just say, "You're a big girl, read the manual" and then change the subject and move into a DHV or a story...but don;t help her...

Anyone else with input can correct me if I am wrong, but I think this is the best way .

Alright, thanks for your input, bro.

However, this is the mistake that
people ALWAYS do:

They neg to the point where the
girls loses interest. The way to
do it is to throw 3, 4, NO MORE
THAN 5 negs, at an HB 10.

And I HAVE BEEN ignoring her.
I still didn't help her. But she might
think that I don't know what I'm doing
and that's why I won't help her.

Then, that's a DLV on my side.

At this point, just give her one hoop to jump through if she asks again. Then help her. If she has problems after that, make her jump through a hoop AGAIN. I would make this first hoop more than just "call me in the morning" lol.

Hahaha I already did that,
but I don't think this works
too well with her. She seems
to know what's going on.

Sometimes I think she's
the PUA and I'm the target
lol.

I need to reverse this.

Thanks, fellas

So you've already helped her with her camera?

She just might be a PUA. You just need to sharpen your game on her. Maintain your frame above all. If she figures out that she can't break your frame no matter what shit tests she throws your way, you WILL come out "on top", so to speak, lol.

Nope, I still didn't help her.

I just feel like she's making
me her tool, ya know?

And yeah, I know: I AM maintaining
my frame...

But this is really hard 'cause HB10s
are different than any other kinds
of girls.

LOL. That's right. With HB10's you HAVE to BUST through their bitch shield, SUCK them into your world, and then you're set. She has to see confidence in you, and lots of it. She has to see leadership in you, and lots of it. She has to see that you're THE MAN. Once you show her that, IT'S ON.

I disagree when it comes to 10's... I think you need to consitantly hit them with small almost teasing negs... talk, talk, neg, talk,neg consistanly is key on those... and then when she shit tests, or trys to use you... pass the test... then hit her with a monster neg... make her feel like an HB6 for a couple minutes... after awhile her subconcious will make the link that she should not shit-test or try to use you.

I think a lot of guys who learn about the neg fail to understand it and often times forget that its a tool and is meant to be used for a purpose and not just aimlessly abuse it. Are you going to use a philips screwdriver to unscrew a flathead screw? I think not. Wrong tool at the wrong time. Get my drift?

If you stop for a second and ask yourself "what is the purpose of a neg?", what do you come up with?

Now, unless you truly understand the neg and its purpose then you will often fail to use it effectively.

The Negs sole purpose is to disqualify yourself to your target and disarm obsticles. And im sure many of you know that. But then I read post after post seeing guys advising others to use it more often or every few sentences. Thats not what it is meant for.

Another time to bring out the neg is when your target fails to comply. Or doesnt "jump through your hoop" so to speak.

After her bitch shield has been lowered. There is no need to neg her aimlessly anymore.

I made the same mistake when I first started. I negged my way right out of the fucking venue time after time lol.

Use your tools more effectively and watch your results match those of your expectations.




Oh and T3R4BYT3,

As for your situation of this broad texting you at 2am. Were you really at a party? If not, get creative. Tell her your busy and cant make it out and invite her over and tell her that you'll explain it to her then. If she gives you an excuse, neg and cut off. At that point she is "tooling" you.

Over and Out.

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The Grinder

Damn, that's a great reply.

No, I wasn't at a party I just
said I was so that I could DHV
myself. Show high social status.

And yeah, I need to get creative.


Everything you said about the
neg, I agree with; I had all of
that in my head, but whenever
I tell my friends, they always
say "the more the better."

Thanks for confirming my idea lol.

And everyone else:

I appreciate the replies, they are
very helpful.

If you guys have anymore suggestions,
please post them up. Thanks!!

I agree and disagree with this... I agree these are two uses of the "neg" however... neg's if used in a method condusive to your goal, may be used to cause a conditioned response. Consistent "mild" negging will quickly build a conditioned response causing the subject to crave the neggers approval and praise significantly more then if it's all rewards based.

Consider part of Pavlov's famous experment (Pavlovs Dog). It was noted that frequency and ampitude of the desired response were greatly increased when the rewards and punishments were varied. The logical explination of this was that if you did well you never knew when the really big prize was coming.

Now how I suggest this applies to the "neg" is that if you use smaller neg's consistantly along with your normal reward system... but then after the pattern has been established reward and don't neg on rare and seemingly sporadic intrevals. The desire to please will be amplified greatly.

So I suggest that negging may also be used as a method of "reward retardation".

As far as aimless negging I absolutely agree with you though... plus it's a bit rude, lol.

I apoligize to those who may have thought I ment something else by my first post, I guess I assumed that everyone did things consistantly as a means of conditioning.

Clearly she's trying to use you.

I would recommend cutting and running. Stop the AFC bullshit. She sees you as free computer support, not a romantic partner.

Don't try to be smooth, suave, or anything like that because it will come off as creepy.

Once again, cut your losses and run. You're not going to get anywhere with her, so stop wasting your time and effort.

Wow, thanks for the words of encouragement, bro...

Hey, are you being sarcastic? I'm just trying to help. I'm pretty good with computers and used to get burned all the time.

Now if someone asks me to fix their computer, I tell them I'll do it if they mow my lawn, cook me dinner, wash my car, etc.

If you're willing to get up at 2AM to go fix her computer, she's probably going to start thinking that your time is worthless.

I'd advise cutting and running, but really it's up to you.