Alot of guys seem to be in this mindset of needing to impress girls. The way I see some guys on this forum talk about the way they look and their clothes and cologne and what to say and what not so say... man. Totally wrong way of thinking

I'll give you somewhat of a little field report here to hopefully clarify some of this shit.

Okay.

So I'm out at this bar in SoCal like 2 weeks ago. Not sure of the name of the place. It was in downtown Santa Ana though.

I'm wearing a pair of jeans that I got from the thrift store. They are nice jeans but they cost me 12 bucks. A black hoodie that I got from Kohl's for 20 bucks. A white tee shirt and a pair of all white Nikes.

I lift weights but I'm not some pretty boy with a 6 pack. Far from it. I've got long blonde hair that comes down to my shoulders and a beard.

Normal looking dude I guess.

Anyways, this guy I'm coaching and myself walk into the bar. Kinda dead. I start talking to this chick, R, who is sitting right next to where I'm standing at, by herself. Just bullshit conversation. Says she is waiting for her friend, S, who comes back as she's talking about her. We all talk for a few minutes... dead silence. R is just starring at me like she wants to fuck my brains out. Done. No trying.

So she's hooked. Logistics are good. Friend likes me All I gotta do is make sure she's around when it's time to go. She was a super cute girl but I wanted to have other shit lined up for myself. Most of the guys at this bar were pretty lame... so my competition was kinda a joke lol

Honestly, when there is dead silence, I just stand there with the level of comfort in myself like she's my girlfriend. If you don't know what that means, to treat her like your girlfriend, then figure it out lol

Anyways, we're standing there just saying random shit. Tension starts to build between myself and R. Her friend, S, sees some random guy standing by himself whos been standing all alone the whole night. Asked me if it would be weird to ask him why he's all alone. I say fuck no... go talk to him! Hoping to get her away from R for a bit so I can get some alone time. We crank things up a bit and I tell her go check on her friend. I needed to talk to my student and let him know what was going on. She goes outside to the smoking section and finds her friend.

My student and I walk towards the bar, we're standing by a table talking and a group of 4 girls comes and stands at the otherside. We start bsing with them a bit, they have 2 more friends that come up. I lock eyes with one of the friends, V, that comes up and it's pretty much game over from there. V inched her way closer to me and within a few minutes we were griding all over each other kissing and dancing. I pull out my pack of cigarettes, ask V if she smokes, she says no but she'll come smoke with me. I get her outside and the girl barely speaks English lol but the chemistry is so strong and this girl is so fucking sexy. She's Brazilian. mmm

Anyways, I'm standing outside smoking a cigarette.... V is dancing seductively infront of me... eye fucking the shit out of me. R is also standing outside in the smoking section... like 8 feet away from me... talking to 5 (FIVE) other guys.... eye fucking the shit out of me. And ANOTHER girl approaches me and starts aggressively hitting on me right out of the gate.

Now... who's trying to impress who in this situation?

If you want girls fighting over you... You've gotta set it up for yourself.

I'll tell you what it "feels like" to be in that position. Try and visualize the feeling. Each time you are around a female.. practice putting yourself in this state.

You're the fucking King. And all these women... are little gazelles or fairies or whatever you want to look at them as... trying to seduce you and be your queen. They still pick whether or not they want to seduce you... But you pick which one you want to be your queen.

Very important tip.

I've wondered how to explain this before, and come up short. This is what I'm talking about when I say that the things you say make very little difference and it's mostly just the vibe you two have going on.

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Damn bro, nice. I feel that there's some vibe that more experienced PUA's give off. It seems natural to you and the more experienced members on the forum but I've probably only had this vibe once.

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Well stated technique to put yourself in state. Thx

You've felt it once... Now just teach yourself to replicate it

Majikal,

All of this is well and good. I understand what you are talking about because I've been there. I know how to talk bullshit and vibe.

The problem here is that new guys won't know what the fuck you are talking about. They won't know how to interact with the women.

I can see one reading this and thinking..."Ok, so what do I say?" "What bs do we talk about?"

You don't have to give lines or anything, but you should at least throw in a topic or two for the guy to talk about with the girl. I usually stick to the situation at first. Talk about the club or the music or something to kick off the conversation. That is if I'm going the BS indirect route. A lot of time (especially when I'm alone) I'll compliment the girl on some effort she made to look sexy. Her dress, shoes, jewelry, nothing about her body, and no direct generic compliments like "you look sexy". These are just a few things. I have a whole bag of stuff to talk about.

What topics would you talk about in your typical scenarios running this style?

That little crit aside, this is solid advice for an inner frame. I would just warn guys not to overcompensate becoming Sociopaths or Narcissists.

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Funny that you say that actually....

I'll tell you something man. I've been coaching for a few years now... and you know what? I'm tired of dealing with "the new guy." This shit really isn't rocket science. If a guy doesn't have shit to talk about... then he probably needs to do something with his life.

OR... He needs to learn how to express himself and talk about random shit going on in his life and actually make it interesting.

And if you're not doing anything with your life and you can't hold a simple conversation... then my advice probably isn't for you anyways, cause I'll tear your head off. And I don't like to be that guy...

Glad you brought that up though man. I've really changed my approach towards offering advice. I'm pretty sick of dealing with idiots. Makes me realize that we are not all cut from the same cloth and not everyone is meant to be a winner. Some guys just don't have it in them and this is me saying I'm not catering to the helpless anymore. Figure it out or get the fuck out.

I laughed so hard at this...you don't even know. It's funny because I totally see where you are coming from and how serious you are about that stance.

~respect

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and demonstrate to all of us what’s really possible. I learn what those few
extraordinary individuals do that’s different from everybody else, and then emulate
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People might read that and think I'm an asshole... But it those retarded guys who have made me this way. If people weren't such idiots... I wouldn't be so bitter about helping people. And then when people blame ME when they don't get it? Get the fuck outta here lol I'm done being held responsible for other peoples problems.

If you don't what to say or how to have a conversation, you aren't troubled with women, you're just socially inept. A huge problem with guys in this forum is the lack of basic social skills.

Fudge, I use direct all the time. I guess the difference is that I daygame and you were probably referring to nightgame.

Majikal, I really like you're posts on inner game and look forward to reading more of them. Even if I can't do what you do at your level, I find it motivational.

I noticed this girl checking me out while waiting for a burger in the cafeteria. I walked up to her and said that I don't appreciate being used as eye candy (seems like a horrible opener, right? especially on a shy girl). She denies it. I just keep on teasing her (I can't remember what I said to build comfort). I then rant on about how she needs to work on being subtle when she checks guys out. She admitted that she was checking me out which basically gave me the greenlight for the rest of the interaction.

I start showing her different ways of subtly checking out people (in this case her). I then say "Here's not how to do it." I basically make it obvious that I was checking out her ass. She starts giggling madly. I then say it's my turn and ask her to spin for me. At first she's reluctant but eventually she spins for me. I N-Close her, flirt with her a bit more, and then leave.

Too bad that I don't know how to text, lol. Anyways, even though I didn't have every girl wanting to approach me, I did have something to take away from you about not trying to impress the girl and how you're basically fearless when you open. A huge problem that I had when I first got into that game was with DHVing. I often noticed that I would loose the girl when I'd try to DHV. I only practised canned game for about a week before switching to natural game. Although the journey may be longer, it's more applicable and fun.

Anyway, I hope that I can eventually reach that level.

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To be honest though , people arent all the same , many people are introverts while other are extroverts and this depends on many factors .However , this, along with anything else can be changed by stepping out of your comfort zone pretty often . Being an introvert doesnt actually mean you re an idiot , it means you are an introvert .It's pure psychology. But i agree with you on the " all you have to do is be yourself and act like you re the brand" idea . If you think , you're great , well then , it shows and you can transmit that to other people , especially women .Women also happen to have a better instinct and they also understand and read people easier and more effectively . So ya , you re right !! Good job on the -pickups- though!! You dont need to be Beckham to pick up women.

~John

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Ok, you didnt explain shit. YOU opened HER. You said something, and it made her want to fuck your brains out. Whatever it was you said impressed her enough to make her want to do that. Plenty of guys including me say "whatever" to girls and get nowhere. Youre leaving the sustenance out. No explanation of why she should be hooked. No sense made at all.
Same theme here of not explaining anything and just expecting people to get it. Are you really trying to help anyone? All this is starting to look like to me is a story to make you look like the man so some super desperate guy can pay you for advice that wont actually get him anywhere.
Theres a HINT of how this may have developed here, but still, no explanation of how it even got here. Are you trying to purposely confuse people?
Another hint here, but what the hell is this supposed to even mean "crank things up"? What did you say/do to make that happen?
ok, what the hell went on here? You just magically look at girls and pussy comes flying at you? Man youre just a mind control wizard huh? Any guy can do this, just get it all on your own with no explanation. Im now positive this is just a ego story.
You explained nothing, you just did nothing and women started competing for you. How much nothing do guys do every day that doesnt result in this? If that actually worked there would be no need for this forum.

People like you just piss me off, cause all youre doing is confusing desperate guys more and driving them to do desperate things. Shameful.

Wow...

Alright, listen up mother fucker, I don't have to post SHIT... ANYWHERE!

Do you get that? NOBODY has to help your stupid ass. You should be grateful you get anything.

And check it out...... this issue has been previously addressed. I've clearly already stated that I'm done catering to special needs children. K?

No, it's really not what you say. There are no awesome words to run. Most of this is non-verbal. Your issue when you "just say whatever" isn't in the words, it's the way you look and the vibe you give off. Majikal says he's "ugly", and he's not handsome, but he looks like he can probably bench 250+. Being bigger and stronger than %98 of men, does a ton for how women react to you. See here.
Jesus Christ. Have you actually been out with a dude who's in good shape and doesn't try to pull tricks out of a bag to impress her? This has been the experience of almost everyone who's not neck deep in game theory. Yes, you make eye contact with a girl, and if it's strongly positive, it's basically on at that point. Not all of those convert to lays, but you know it's a good prospect.
You may want to listen to him. What he does works, and what the people you listen to suggest, sounds like it isn't working so hot for you.

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