Yesturday when I was picking up sets for my buddy, I noticed it was rather hard to isolate specific targets that he wanted to meet. I was building a good rapport for being in a club.... well lets call in club rapport. But when it came time to isolate the 1 or 2 girls in the set he wanted, they wanted to stay with the herd. I know theres the mother hen of sets which are obstacles, and also the less attractive ones as well. Now what I was seeing yesturday is that I would deal with the mother hen (The AFOG, Alpha female of the group, who tends to make sure none of her friends got into "trouble") They still were hesitant to leave. My question is how do you deal with a hesitant isolatation?

Theres a thing between girls called the friends manifesto(when girls help each other get rid of guys) .

So you have to open the set ,and win the friends first , then neg your target and after you have gamed the obstacles and they all ready know your a cool guy and they like you you will have no problem isolating the friend.

Step by Step:

1) Open the set ( give time constant , to relax the girls .)

2) Tell a story chat a lil bit (but focus on the friends , no attention to your target.)

3) Neg your target in a funny way (The friends will laugh about your target and like you more.)

4) Be creative and try to give a good excuse to isolate the target.




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I think you just ran into the wrong girls. Maybe they were best best best friends so they were just protecting your target. Maybe you just didnt build enough comfort or they just felt they dont know you good enough. There are some girls that were scared to death with horror stories about being raped or killed or kidnapped... You never know. Im probably wrong, but you can never be sure. Maybe the AFOG was attracted to you, and didnt want you to go away with her friend couse she was jelous...
Oh and I completly agree with xfman's 1.2.3.4 steps...

adios

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new to this culture, so I dont know your jargon yet...heres a thought...hit on the friend, ...maybe even neg (i hope I'm using the right term) them both--the obvious problem this presents is when you try to take your initial target home, the friend could get pissed/dissapointed/embarassed (especially if the one you dont want has "spoken" for you to the one you want) that you were after her friend all along, then the "girl loyalty" thing comes into play and that (in my experience) is a tough one to overcome.--in that situation, you need to have A) a wingman, B) an after hours place where there will be people to distract the overly protective friend, or C) hope both girls are hot, in which case, who cares who you take home.

I like to look for a transition point in a conversation--this should come after both girls are comfortable with you...at that point, find something that the group of you are talking about, take a comment that the girl you are interested in makes, and run with it, act interested, get excited and angle your body towards hers--be quick with saying "why you are interested in what shes saying" and then dictate the conversation so that it appears as if you are genuinley interested in what she is saying, no matter where the convo goes, be sure not to alientate the friend yet---be sure to intermittently reinforce her for sticking around, staying in the conversation (if you alienate too early, the friend will excuse herself, which may seem ok at first, but your target will eventually want to go find her).
If this is run correctly, the friend won't feel like she has been a pawn AND she will like you (which helps you earn "take my friend home" points), as she sees the conversation slowly going from a 3 person one, to a 2 person one, she will be happy that her friend is hitting it off with such a nice guy and she will EXCUSE HERSELF NOT BECAUSE SHE FEELS AKWARD IN THE CONVERSATION, RATHER, TO LEAVE YOU ALONE WITH HER FRIEND (you win!)--to your target, and to her friend, to the female world in general, "the two of you have made a conncection".--in reality, all you've done is reinforce the behavior that you desire from both girls involved.
...the situation in which she doesnt leave is one when A) these girls arent that good of friends (in which case she may not be as adamant about keeping her friend from leaving with you), or B) shes wants to compete for you ( then your golden either way)...........hope that helps

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C.L.

yeh i was gonna say if they give the whole wanna stay with herd or its a girlie night out sorry then u havnt done ur bit good enough, soz if thats blunt but its true, its the excuse i use
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Tickle it

it sounds like u need to win the friends over more like some of these guys mentioned....one piece of advice that has really helped me and i try to remember it while sarging...u win the friends (this includes guys) u win the girl

I think shaft already did what you guys are saying he should of done. Ya so you ran into total "bullshit" flop hoes simply. Or the girl who wanted to stay didn't want to be isolated by your friend, and wanted to listen to you game the Mother Hen, and try and game her. Fuck I know, i'm no psychologist but thats my analysis. I call it the Creme-de'la-whore-flop-itis.

3 things:
1: they probably didnt wanna go with you because you can't spell the word "yesterday"..........be fucking smart...
2:someone said "dumb flop hoes"...maybe so, but thats not their problem, thats OURS/YOURS--be fucking cognisant, man--if you're feelin the hostility, adapt....
3:heres what EVERYONE needs to learn: the organism is always right--you wanna get this stuff, learn about applied behavior analysis, if you're one that derives your self esteem from the caliber of girl that sleeps with you, get your graduate degree in it...whatever...i do this for a living, and once I made the connection between the goals of this community and the LAWS (not theories) of behavior, I stopped coming here (I'm thankful that I received an email from this site so that I could share this epihphany, however)......start by reading Walden Two, by B.F. Skinner, if you don't get it after that, ask somebody.....after you get it, simply find more applied behavior analysis books, and do it----guys, its fucking simple...
if you're super into this scene: TAKE DATA on your activities--you'll get better........if Strauss's boy's would have had data, they would have been unstoppable...even if they did "sarge out L.A."...............best of luck!!!

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