I'm not scared,or fearful of anything.

Rather,I'm mad.

I'm gaming girls,running routines,kinoing,and such.Things work out,sometimes kiss close,sometimes drama.

Then,I go,and the big naturally popular dude(Not AMOG,this guy wasn't a douchebag),take the girl upstairs,and then boom.

I try and do the same,doing what I trained myself to do,and they do resistance,and then finally say no.

Sometimes I get choked,and disoriented(I get distracted,and I'm impatient,2 of my main flaws),so I run out of gas,and bail myself out with a false time constraint.

I've just been thinking:

Why the fuck should naturals have it so easy,and we,as PUAs,have to work our asses off just to even approach a girl.Honestly,this judging between natural and RAFC is bullshit.

Naturals dont even realize they're doing what we're supposed to do.They just do it.Yet we know what to do,and most of us cant keep our composure long enough to get something worthwhile.

I admit,my inner game is near impenetrable,and it will remain that way.My next obstacle...is actually posing some comp against the naturals and doing what I've been doing.

I cant even tell if I have social proof or not.Again,all the dudes(Even frat people have been impressed by my demeanor and mentality)are cool with me,and treat me like their own.With women,Some love to be around me(Mostly a few 7s,and 8,and EVEN a 10(Who I'm using as DHV only)),but then some are so fucking judgemental,and only go for the muscular or rich kid(Yes boys and girls,college women are still fucking immature).

I'm pissed right now.I'm working the hardest I've ever had,and all I'm getting is scrap shit.Sure,a few Kiss-closes and spening the whole night grinding with women is ok,but I should be at the point where F-Closes come naturally.

Idk if it's because I'm still a freshman and not known,or maybe I'm missing something,or maybe these 2 bitches from my old high school are spreading shit about me,because they think they're better than everyone else.

This is angering me.I'm not going to give up(Never.),but It's to the point where I feel that I've done what I can do on my own,and the rest is up to circumstance(Which isn't friendly to me).

Help guys.

P.S:Dont post any bullshit on "Grow up.Life is like this.Stop bitching". I know what the harsh life is,and I've lived by it.It's just now,it's getting to be unfair.I need some kind of break.

Dude honestly this game stuff is just a gameplan. You have to be able to make adjustments on the fly. If you're having bad luck lately change up the venue. Although chicks at house parties were money at my college maybe it's different near you. There's nothing wrong with not f-closing after meeting someone for three hours. Especially if you don't bounce them. Go on a day-2 and build up everything and close that night or the next. If you are expecting sex every time you go sarging you are never going to fully enjoy yourself. Just go out expecting to have a good time and meet some new interesting people. You might meet your future best friend, your future roomate, or your future girlfriend. Who knows?! You're way too young to be getting so angry over the fact that some guys just naturally get girls.

I just got into this PUA stuff a few months ago and before that I always had girls all over me. I wasn't sleeping with a new girl every week or anything like that, but women liked me and I liked them. Does that make me a natural. I don't fucking know, it just made it fun for me to go out and have a good time. If you are in this to fuck as many people as possible you are never going to fully enjoy this stuff and you make for such an easy target for guys like me to break you down at a party or a club. Relax, have fun, learn some new tricks, consider flogging the dolphin before you head out if you are a horn dog. I dunno, just have fun with this stuff.

I feel you on that Lexus.

Dont get me wrong.It's fun and everything meeting new people,getting to know everyone,and the such.I always make it a point to meet everyone and have fun...

And that's why sometimes I get discouraged.

My brother,who was a super-natural,never had this kind of trouble.He would be the life of the party,and everyone that knew him,male or female,loved him.Yet I,growing up,was always shit on by society.He always told me never to take it seriously,that I had it in me,but that patience was needed,and that life would reach me,and when it did,I would know what to do to rise.

I hated hearing that.It was easy for guys like him to tell me that,but It's harder when you actually GO through it,and know what is expected.

I always hold myself to a higher standard than anyone else expects of me.If someone says I cant get a girls number,I make it a point to get 10,make 9 of them pivots,and 1 a potential GF.If someone tells me I cant run a mile,I run 5,and THEN go to the weight room.Even if I dont follow up,I put it there to show people that I wont be taken down.

I've been run down by others all my life.Everyone told me I couldn't do this or that.Others would reap the reward,while me,the AFC,actually believed them,and would let others reap the rewards while I stood back and took the blunt of everything,with great discipline and non-difference.This is why I took up the self-training and experimentation that got me to where I am today.Refusal to be society's bitch.

Now,after discovering my true potential,I've made the decision within myself not to allow that shit to happen.I would be the guy women always talked about,good or bad.I would be the one who'd bring fun and joy to EVERYONE'S lives.I would be the one who had the last say in things,and allow those who treated me with mutual respect to rise with me,and those who wanted to take advantage of my kindness to be left out like I have.

After I "got it",and even now,I feel a responsibility within myself to rise higher and higher,to attain a level of success greater than all else.I'm not saying I'm better than anyone else.HELL NO.Everyone has the potential to rise and become great,whether your rich,poor,AFC,natural.It's just that I hold myself to the goal of becoming the best,better than my brother,better than the big guys that made me look and feel like shit growing up,better than the powerful figures of the world,better than the likes of Mystery,Style,Juggler,Hypnotica,etc... .

...I realize I'm still young,but dammit,I want to be able to reach the highest form of power while young.That way,when I turn 30,have a beautiful,caring,challenging wife,and a big house,with mutiple investments gaining me more income,and with a steady,progressive life,I will be able to give my son or daughter what I never had:An easy life,and an opportunity to not only become greater than me,but to also make a change in the world.

Most do pick-up to help with girl trouble,or overcome their own insecurities.That's wonderful.Those reasons were also sub reasons I kept going with It,and I fully support anyone who takes it upon themselves to sacrifice and put in the work necessary to ascend.However,my goals have changed since back in the day.I wanted to re-create myself.Now,I want to take my re-created self,and achieve the highest level of power and dominance,so that one day,I may be able to share it with those who I care about and who care about me.It's not just a game for me.It's a fucking passion!It's something that resonantes with me.

...It,is my reason.

That's why I might come off as If I take this super seriously.I do,because I've never known how it feels like to be successful with women.It's an awsome fucking feeling,and to have it taken away by minor setbacks is irritating.

I guess I must have more patience,like everyone in my life says.It's still bothersome though.I've had it being the underdog.

Idk guys.More feedback is of course appreciated,but this is just how I feel.

(Finally some grown up talk here:Wink:)

I totally feel you bro. We all feel something similar at some point or another. Your trying to get to the next level, but finding it harder than before. It looks like your even getting some setback because of what seemed to be small issues before, but suddenly become critical.

A few months ago I was in a similar situation. I was at this big festival, and my game was running sky high. I couldn't walk from one end of the compound to the other without having girls rush up to me for a hug or a kiss or something. All the guys I was with were fucking worshiping me.
But then something strange happened. My game started to slip, all kinds of things came popping up that I never thought would. Suddenly I found fuckin kids getting the girls I was gaming on. It was frustrating like hell.
one of the things you can do, and this is what I did in this occasion, is lay back for a few days and loosen your game, relax and let things come into perspective. For me that worked, I ended up in bed without even trying, still don't know what happened, but my game improved since then.

Listen man, your a fucking pick up artist! PUA isn't just about getting girls, its about high class guys who want to better themselves and their lives, getting the best from what they have, exceeding everyone's expectations including their own.
I admire you, even though your younger than me LOL. You got some fuckin good qualities that are hard to find, I give you that.

I, too, was a victim of the system. People always telling me what to do and what to be. Never giving me room to be myself. Well I reached the point where I just said fuck and decided to do things my way, never looked back.

Anyway, right now it's about getting you to the next level. Plenty of good people here that could help with that.
First- you point out two problems with your game- your impatient and distracted. About impatience there is only one solution which is (don't bite me) patience. Sorry kid, but that's all there is too it. Just relax a little, set your goals back a little, give yourself space. Then when your ready you can kick in faster than before (2 steps forward 1 back).
You also say that you are distracted, what do you find is distracting you? Other men? Girls? Shit tests? Specifics please.

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Anyone can walk into a bar and pick up a random girl.
The trick is to make the experience unforgettable to her.
A real PUA will make every women he encounters feel like she experience something once in a lifetime.

Thanks Rose.Appreciate the feeback.

Well,about being distracted,it's more like a problem in every aspect of life:Schoolwork,Personal life,working out.I cant stay focused enough to be "in the zone",and then I become disoriented and out of balance.Things revert back to square one in one quick haze,and I find myself needing a quick escape.

I struggle most when transitioning from kiss closes to natural progression to F-close,and even more times from kino to kiss-close.

It's not that I cant do it.I just stumble into a "PUA mental block",and revert back to approach mode.

I just have this small fear that,If I fuck up once;let someone walk over me/bitch me out/etc...,It'll kill my game in college forever.

I dont want to have shit spread about me that will be detrimental to my progress,as I've worked too fucking hard to let some douchebag ruin me.

I'd never thought I ask this,but guys,What SHOULD I do from here?
What should I practice on.Inner game is aced.Outer game is progressing to near perfection.I'm guessing it's mastery of surroundings.Help on that?

Hey whats up Blackbull. First of all I just want to get out that I really respect a lot of the posts you put up here. Definitely some quality behind most of them, minus the most useless thread in the world where there are nothing but cartoon characters everywhere but other then that, your golden.

This is just a deduction I made, however, I may be completely wrong making this null and void so feel free to correct me. I get the impression that you are in the game by yourself... It seems to me like you are a freshmen in college, experiencing life for the first time like you said. Your not looking back, living the life your choosing, and thats great; an act of maturity that frankly many people don't ever even reach.

The problem...
Being a PUA isn't something that you share with most, if any people. I believe that confiding in a friend/future possible wingman that you will be able to have someone there for you all the time to help you through these low points that are inevitable. Life is all about sharing your experiences with the people who you care about, and when you aren't completely honest with one single person in your life about your "PUA life" then it can make things way more difficult.

I could be way wrong with my deduction but oh well worth a shot
GL

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Yup,on the money Jack.And I really appreciate that feedback man.I try my best to say things how they are,instead of how they SHOULD be,as it is most beneficial to keep it real.Thanks for noticing. .

But yea man,you've got a point.Confiding in a friend will be tough.I have one who I introduced to the game,and is finding it more true everyday,but so far,I keep it to myself.

That's how I've done everything in life.I'm the lone wolf type,and I'm damn good at it.Thing is,as everyone in life has told me,and even life lessons itself,you need friends.

I'm starting to calm down,and taking the advice in.I think if I work at it,things will come more naturally.I'll be patient for now,and pursue higher things.

P.S:Lol.Most Useless thread.Hey man,it had to be done.And hey,not all of em were cartoons.I got Richard Dawson on there,and he's a PUA!But yea,it's all good.Thanks again,everybody.

Hmm, lets see what advice I have to give.

About being "in the zone" I can give you advice from an NLP standpoint. NLP makes a lot of use with anchors. Anchoring is done by simply associating one idea with another one, say linking the color orange with you're math teacher, the next time you see the color orange you will think math teacher.
NLP will easily get you "in the zone" and will also straighten out lots of other fields in your life. Success guaranteed.

Let me see if I understand.
When you go from one step to another you get this fear, this mental image of failure, which leads to you losing track and starting over. This image is of failure, something you hoped you left behind, but your afraid that it might come back. This is only regular behavior. Everyone is scared of losing what they got.
I totally get where your coming from. You gotten shit all your life and your afraid you will get shit again if you mess up and fall, even once.

I want you to do something for me. I want you to picture that you do mess up, you go to a close and you mess it up, the girl is a bitch and the next day the whole school knows. This is your greatest fear right now.
But that wouldn't really matter. Most of what you've built in the last few years is inside you, not outside. That can't get hurt. College is just one place, it doesn't matter what happens here, you are free to start over anywhere else you want. You can even start over here in college. After all, now you've just learned a lesson of what to avoid!
So leave this image alone. Right now your a jock, your the center of the party, you've got everything you want. Your not going to let some bitch ruin this for you, your stronger than her, she's nothing. She can say whatever she wants to whoever she wants and it don't mean shit.

You've got good game kid, you've got a good life in front of you. Just go and have fun.

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Anyone can walk into a bar and pick up a random girl.
The trick is to make the experience unforgettable to her.
A real PUA will make every women he encounters feel like she experience something once in a lifetime.

I'm ruined everytime I see that color now
and my math teacher if i ever take math again
thanks haha
fucking NLP

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i know how u feel, blackbull your one of the tops in the communtiy on this site, i agree with the posts above, just relax. you have time left. if anything use this time to build social proof, then come senior year, dominate van wilder style.

i remember even after i found the community my soph year in high school, i couldnt beat the social proof i built up from kindergarten. so i had to revert to other schools for my game. now i go to collage with ppl from my high school now. they still try too ruin my game constantly. just the other day this fat chick who was in the bitch group, amog'ed me (it just might be a guy so ill use the psudnynm) i was caught off guard but i recovered.

but like u my games starting to slow down so i figured while i was at work last week, too just chill out pass my classes, party, and build social proof. there are naturals all over the place but if you go into battle with your head unattached then theres really no point to fighting at all right.

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Okay, It took me forever but I read all of these damn novel posts. (Yeah, I know it was necessary to post that long to get your points across.)

Anyway, I think I understand your problem Blackbull and I think I have a couple of suggestions that will help. First, you say you are impatient and you get distracted easy. Well, yeah... that is a pretty standard problem and lets take them both at once.

Use them to your advantage. Look at them as if they were Good things. Your not impatient and distracted. Your driven to find bigger and better things. Your out there to improve yourself and your game. Use it. A woman is boring you then eject and find a better one. It will be a DHV. Or if you see something and it draws your attention... when you look back you can even apologize about it and it will STILL be a DLV for her. She can't even keep your attention.

Just turn your weaknesses into assets.

As for struggling with making mistakes in your college social circle... well that is a different matter. You can raise this game to a higher level by bringing in outside DHV's. As follows:

1.Go outside your social circle. (You are more free here and you won't worry about making mistakes. Less worry= More comfort.)
2. Perfect your game here. (If you make a mistake.. no biggie. Just learn from them.)
3. Bring your Successes home. (This will add to your social circle, your social proof, and women talk.)
4. Repeat as necessary.

Show these college women that they aren't the only pool that you fish in. Bring in other women into these frat parties. It will improve your game immensly because women remember seeing you with a HB9 that you brought to the party AND that you left with.

As for your sticking points with transitions... There are only a few things I can say about that.

1. F-closes the night you meet them is "Fool's Mate" and don't forget it.
2. Once you get to a K-close then either get the digits (for a day 2) or go for an Insta-date. Change the venue and get her out of that party!
3. Isolate. Once you are alone then all that social pressure about you being a freshmen or whatever is much less on her mind.

Oh and as Jack said...(I think) ...

If you can, get a wing. It helps immensly. I am doing my best to get myself one.. but the closest thing is 2 hours away. So I have been helping my friend who I think has the potential.

Wings are a godsend.

CAREFUL. I found this out recently. There are alot of women who THINK they can pivot and can't. They tell stories about you being a "nice" guy and end up making you look like a bitch. Careful who you pick and teach them what you can. Then if they don't believe you. Show them! And once they see it then they WILL most likely understand.

Hope this stuff helps man. I wish I could do more for you and I appreciate what you have done for others.

EvoJ

I'm new to this forum and new to PUA community, but the way I see it is...you might not be building up enough attraction/comfort in your targets. I think it was Mystery who said that on average, you might have to spend at least 7-10 hours with a target in order to bed her. This should be enough time to build comfort. If I were you, I wouldn't expect to pick up/bed the girl on the first night, unless you are a MPUA. One last thing, you may be trying to hard to get in their pants and somehow they are getting that vibe from you. You should act like you could care less if you F-close them, yet show them you are attracted to them at the same time. I hope this tid bit of amature advice helps.

Oh, by the way, a space always goes after a period and a comma. Thanks! :0)

Double D

The thing is, unless you become an MPUA you typically can't hold your own against a natural. Even MPUAs will have trouble against naturals because there is a definite difference between us. Naturals have trouble comprehending this whole "game" and I know because I've got one that I've been hanging around a lot lately and we watched the VH1 show and he didn't understand why they had so much trouble. When they pick up girls, they aren't thinking about it and trying to make sure they follow the steps and tripping themselves up with all the information that we have to constantly run through our heads. When I approach a girl, I need to have some sort of opener, then I need to DHV and make sure my body language is giving the right signals so that she's not thinking I'm too into her, then I need to build attraction and comfort and keep DHVing to make her really want to keep hanging around me. Then I need to get her number and unlike a natural I typically can't just ask for her number cause then I might blow myself out of the game for being too AFC. Same thing with a kiss close and an F-close, its all done as an art form and we have to be better than good at it, we have to do it like it was what we were born to do. But the thing is, THEY WERE born to do it. Its in their blood and they don't need to think, they just do it. Its part of their genes and they have the advantage. You make one wrong step and you can be screwed, whereas somehow for them women fall all over them and they try to get away from them and they keep coming. It sucks, but that's just the way evolution works. Some people get the advantages and some don't. Luckily we are a species that has the ability to change the way we act and think and fix this problem. If you want to see what I'm talking about as far as evolution of the whole act of sex goes, I suggest you check out Why Is Sex Fun? by Jared Diamond. I have only gotten partway into the second chapter, but it shows good insight into how different sex and relationships with humans differ from every other animal on the planet.

You're absolutely right Rye Lee.

And that is what gets me pissed off. The fact that genetics and heredity play a part in reproduction.

It's absolute bullshit to accept within, and I refuse to let something like genetics get in my way.

It's as if all the riches are pre-determined for distribution, and those who are favored in life always get it, and those at a disadvantage always have it taken away from them.

Fuck that shit. I disproved it in the 4 years I wrestled. As a freshman, I was a 236lb Heavyweight,who couldn't even run a mile,or do 5 push ups. I was always made fun of for slacking, and I would be angry. My bro would always tell me "Dude,no one will give a shit. You have to grow the balls to overcome this." At first, I was adamant and furious. I would do my best, but still be the last in the pack. I would get hungry just eating salads and such.

By soph year,things changed in wrestling.I had dropped to 230,and was running a bit faster. Not up to par,but improving. I steadily made weight loss and persistence a habit. Everyone told me I couldn't do it, that I wasn't made to be a 215lb wrestler.

I said "fuck that shit"(Note:I was still AFC until senior year").

By junior year, I was a slimmer 213lbs,and qualified to wrestle 215. I KEPT UP with the 189 and 171 pounders in running and sprints,and was able to breathe in peace at the end of practice.

By senior year,I was 199! One hundred and ninety nine fucking pounds!
I was beating out the average weight runners! My teammates who cracked on me freshman year had their jaws dropped.

I went from 0-12 Freshman year...to 5-7 Senior year(Not as good as I hoped,but still remarkable).

That taught me that ANYONE can overcome ANYTHING! I went from fatass to slim contender, after busting my ass 150%, EVERY FUCKING DAY!

I feel the same about pick-up. I ABSOLUTELY REFUSE to belive that genetics play a total part in gaming(To an extent, it does, but only 3%). I've outgamed JOCKS who did AFC shit. I have defied society,and have proven to be a symbol of the extraordinary, and symbols are INDESTRUCTIBLE!

Thing is,forget that crock of bull about genetics. I can become better than the naturals. Mystery did it. Style did it. I can fucking do it, and I'll do it damn good!

It's only the 3rd week of college for me, but I feel compelled to attain senior status by the 5th week,maybe 6th. Ambition is my main characteristic, and no one will stop me!

Again, genetics is bullshit. Hopefully,today will be better. I have a toga party today, and It is fucking happening! NO ONE'S DAUGHTER IS SAFE FROM THE BLACK BULL TONIGHT!!!

Hopefully,this will clear up the wall,and allow me further progression.Wish me luck!

And also,Rye Lee,Vash,Evo J,thanks for the bits of advice.

I'll think on those,and apply it to my situation.