I came here after seeing the show 'the pickup artist' and was very amused/interested in the whole thing. You see, I pickup girls all the time and didn't know there was some kind of group for it. I figured I'd come and share my thoughts/advice/learn about this whole thing. But from what I'm seeing, people are using all kinds of tricks. I noticed this in the show too, why is this needed?

I used to be a fat loser, but I wanted women. So I got off my ass, lost 100 pounds, improved my wardrobe greatly, and my confidence sky rocketed. I didn't need any excuse to approach women, I was just honest with everything. Like the other day at the mall a woman was standing in line next to me wearing a cool watch.. so I just told her I really like her watch and started up a conversation just like that. Rather than figuring out how to trick women into talking with me, I just improved my image, gained a lot of confidence, and now very often women start talking to me instead.

So rather than learning all these techniques, shouldn't people first improve themselves as much as possible and then try to get women? In the end, you won't be happy with a woman until you're happy with yourself anyways.

I don't know, maybe I'm misunderstanding what this is all about.

Who is tricking women? And how have you come to this conclusion?

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In the show for example; they're given stories to tell, flat out lies.

Or in another thread on this forum where a guy puts on goggles? Not really a 'trick', but it seems like what's the point? Or even this mystery guy wearing all this weird ass stuff. I get the concept of standing out, but shouldn't it be your personality that stands out?

It's a "reality" T.V. Show, it is isn't what I do, nor many of my companions. But sure, there are some people who develop stories that are used to convey a higher value to other people. However, this does not speak for the group, don't be lead to believe that Mystery is the only person doing this, and his methods are what we all follow. Besides, are you really going to tell me that these guys on the show are the only guys to ever lie to another person to make themselves look better? I doubt it. These days, everyone lies in social situations. Yes, I know not everyone does, but you understand what I'm getting at. So whats the harm if a couple nerds on some dumb ass T.V. show are being taught to do it? Did you ever think of the reasons WHY they are being taught to do this? I think not. The reasons are deep and moral at heart. These poor guys do not know how to even initiate conversation let alone hold one with a woman, the stories are like 'crutches' for them to be able to learn how to 'walk', if you will. Once they develop the confidence and the life experiences to tell their own stories and hold their own intelligent and meaningful conversations then they will surely ditch the stories. Get where I'm going with this one?
Correct me if I'm wrong on this, but, does your personality not show through in the things that you wear? I know mine does, I don't wear goggles in the club, however I will wear something that fits my style, which comes directly from my personality. Just because you don't like someone's sense of style doesn't mean that there is no point to it. When your standing in a club, dressed normally, like everyone else, you tend to blend into the crowd. The idea behind standing out with outrageous clothing is that it is a conversation starter. The people are not relying on the goggles to get them the girl, they are in fact relying on their personality, something the goggles help bring attention to.

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I understand your point of view about the lying and the show.

But as far as the goggles; it seems like him and others are picking these things JUST because it stands out, not because it's their style. If that's your style and it represents who you are, all the more power to you. But if you're dressing a certain way to be different, not only will women see right through it, but in the end you'll feel uncomfortable.

All in my opinion of course. Maybe the goggles are his style. But I know there are people taking this stand out/peacock thing too far.

I don't know; I just have different views on picking up women it seems like. To me if you're confident, intelligent, and funny... no matter how you choose to start talking to a woman it won't make a diffference. Just coming up and saying hi will be enough, or is for me at least. If you aren't confident, intelligent, and have at least a little bit of sense of humor... then it seems like you should work on yourself first.

Are people using these things because they don't have the confidence to just start up a conversation or don't know what to say? Excuse my newbness, I don't want to go around giving my personal advice without fully understanding the mindset here. I suppose I could stick to dating advice, which I think is pretty universal.

There is a point where the boys are separated from the men. You can tell the difference between a phony and a genuine person. Just as you can with any person who has a style, I see plenty of kids dressed up in "thugged out" chains, fitted baseball caps and pants down to their asses, acting like they are tough shit. Yet I know for a fact that if any of these goof balls approached me looking for a fight, I'd be quick to deliver a knockout blow before they knew who they were tangling with. (One example of many, you get the point)

I couldn't agree more.

I couldn't agree more. I don't use "openers" on women, I simply go up to them and begin conversation with whatever I see fit, whether it is a simple greeting or some elaborate statement I just formed from looking at the situation. That matters little. The point of the matter is that these "openers" and "routines" are used for men who don't yet have the confidence to do this. In the end, this is what they should be striving for, the confidence, intelligence, and social ease to be able to do things of the sort. However, this takes self-improvment, and in my opinion, what better way of doing just that than getting out and actually talking to people. What would you rather them do? Sit at home in the mirror reassuring themselves how confident they are? Or go out with a few made up stories, a funky hat, and some basic psychological principles to guide them in breaking the ice and getting into the mix of things with everyone else? I would think the later of the two.

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Well said...

I have a better understanding now and can hopefully contribute some, thanks. Saved me some time of researching

Glad I could help.

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Ok time to clear something up here

YOU are a pick up artist, and your ultimate goal is to pick up a girl and then fuck her. Now, if this means you have to lie to her, or "trick" her, then who gives a shit, you're not exactly doing this for her, you're doing it more for yourself.

You want to be, or you want to sell yourself as everything she dreamed of, or whatever she wants at the moment. The key is really not to go way overboard and make yourself look like an idiot. I'm def. not saying go up to her and tell her that you're a king of some small country or whatever, just make yourself look bigger than you are.

For example:
Something that works real well is a conversation fuck rocket, which bascily means after the opener, you grab her attention and take it to a new level...yes i just made that up. So let's say you do your opener and whatever

You: Opener, blah blah blah what do u like to do
HB: blah blah blah blah
You: O really? I used to do a lot of blah blah blah when i was in blah
HB: Wow do you know blah blah BLAH?
You: Know him, i fucked his sister in the back of my free candy van!( Dont say that im just sayin make somethin up that will take her attention to an undivided level)

So you're not exactly taking it overboard, but you're steadily increasing her attention lvl, which will get u a #

I know i kinda wrote a very crude version of that conversation, I'll edit it when im a little more sober.

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its so easy

Well the issue is solved, but thanks.

And from my understanding, not every PUA is looking to fuck.

You have made it clear to me that you have no idea what you are talking about.

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Him or me?

Him.

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