This guy is one of my best friends, but he is appallingly bad with girls. He has one strength when it comes to interactions with girls that I know of and that's opening - he can successfully open consistently, and then he will proceed to get dumped in the LJBF zone - which he will then get kicked out of when he a) tries to start a romantic relationship with them from out of the blue or b) starts going on about guns or his dislike of his current life.

He is continuously seeking my counsel when it comes to girls and while the advice I give him is solid - I have even specifically looked matters up on this board for him - he consistently ignores it.

I remember one time when I was talking to his (now) girlfriend, trying to big him up and I was walking around the club with her, running a quick routine to DHV him and I turned to look at her and suddenly became aware that he was following her around. It took me all night and many hours on numerous other occaisions to get them together. I digress a little.

I've given him books on pick-up and told him that they'll change his life - he is yet to open them, and he seems to refuse to believe that the techniques I give him will work - and yet he still keeps asking for them.

I even found out recently that he thought that he was one of the leaders of the group because when I see something is important to someone I'll normally let them have their way - unless the opposite is equally important to me. Literally his words were 'well I think I'm the leader a lot of the time. Sometimes we do something I want to.'

How the hell am I meant to convince him that he needs to improve? As I continue to change into more of a PUA I find myself having less and less patience for him and fear that if he doesn't start changing soon I'm going to end up killing him.

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I don't think you can force him to take up pick-up in the same way you can't force a fat person to go to the gym. You've given him the tools and shown him the material, now it's up to him to use it. As Morpheus says in the Matrix, 'I can only show you the door, you are the one who must walk through it.' (Incidentally isn't it odd that so many Matrix quotes resonate with pick-up lol).

iv tried to get my friends into pick-up so they can improve their lifestyles, but unfortunately youre not gonna get them into it unless they want to.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can not force it to drink it.

its all in your explanation of the material....ive explained this stuff to a few guys and girls too and some are ready and willing to get into the stuff...others dont want to believe it until i explain i a different way. try to keep pushing him to read the books

Oh, I must tell you a story...

I have an old friend who is a total AFC. He is "in love" with the same girl for 4 years and does not get over her. He only KISSED her once and he lets her walk all over him. He sends her SMS quite often telling her he loves her, she is special etc. He complains about his situation EVERY DAY. He even told me "if she asked me to kneel and beg, I would". I can't describe how shocked I was to hear this from a friend. So, we were great friends. I was an AFC but not so much as he is. I got tired and one day, an even older friend sent me The Mystery Method. I left it on my computer for 3 months until, one day, I decided to read it. I read everything on one single night. I became fucking curious and bought the greatest books around. I read them all and understood how the game works. I must say my life has improved imensely after I started PUA. So, I became this new social and most important CONFIDENT person. I am very good looking but I was so insecure that I didn't like to be seen. Anyway, after I discovered this goldmine I tried to introduce it to my friend. For 1 year I tried and tried. He IGNORED me but kept complaining about his life until one day came and I simply stoped trying to provide him help and more than that, I got tired of him as a person: he was to negative for me and I couldn't stand negativity around me. His reaction was something that shocked me. Instead of improving his life, he befriended some beta-males from his class and now walks with them. He started Gym to get fit and is always showing of his muscles.

I am pissed off. I still talk to him but I gave up.

This is what you should do, man... Sometimes it's better to leave people sinking until they realise how fucked up they are. At this point they will seek help.

I hope I was helpful.

I had to ditch a couple of friends who thought of the new me as manipulating women.

As said before; you can't get anyone to change unless they understand that by NOT doing so they will get in trouble.

You could try re-framing him: "If you continue to do this and this, what do you think will happend?" "What will happend in the future".

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Style: Who do you think lies more...
DeAngelo: What's up fool?
AFC: Does this rag smell like chloroform to you?

casually give him some reading material don't pressure him... AFCs don't like pressure remember

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