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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:29 pm 
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I'm about to delve into a strange strange situation in around 2weeks time and was looking for some of your ideas on what I should when it happens. Its a seriously ODD situation I'll be in so I need to provide you guys with a backstory to fill you in on how it arose. (The whole thing is slightly broken down in the part in bold at the bottom if youre not going to read through...)

Right basically around a year ago I was with a HB10 for a few months, unfortunately I was a total AFC and let her control the relationship unconditionally, apologised when things were her fault, accepted when she cancelled things, basically my mind was blurred to how I was behaving because I was so crazy about her. She was similar for the first period, she told me after a week that she had never felt the same way about anyone before (this isnt a shitty little nerdy high school relationship either by the way, were both 21 and well-known in our area as physically attractive people)... anyway after a few months she went cold on me because I have a seriously busy job and even though we were both texting/calling all day every day she couldnt stand not seeing me. So we ended.

We agreed to be friends. (I know, I know...)

Anyway, while I was with her I became good friends with her two friends, they think I'm the greatest man on earth no matter what I do. I was even texting her two friends while with her (in a friendly way)...

two months after we break up, I was still meeting her and her friends once/twice a week, she gave hints that she still liked me when she was drunk, kept isolating me from conversations to talk about why we ended (i.e. why we should get back together)... she said that 'she didnt want to be with me right now, but she didnt want to lose me in the future'... I was like, 'cool, well I'm around' (AFC) neither of us kissed anyone else when we were in each others company and we both get opened at least twice/three times a night (I should of gamed everything in sight I know).

Another month down the line she starts seeing this guy I know from YEARS back, not that friendly with him. One night me and her and her two friends were out, she isolates me and tells me that shes not really sure what to do with that guy and wants my male advice, she kinos me (how I didnt read this properly I do NOT know, such an AFC back then) I tell her that she can give it a go with him but I'm not going to be around for ever. She gets with that bloke for a few months, hes super clingy, scares her off, were still texting each other once a week for really long conversations. Shes telling me shes actually in tears on the bus from laughing at a text conversation were having 'youre the funniest person Ive ever known'... blah blah... she ends with that dude.

Me and her two friends go out one night (6 months after we break up, 2 months after she stops seeing that dude) and I get real drunk and tell them I still like her. They dont her this but they tell me that they know shes not interested in seeing any men at this, but that even theyre confused by how she acts around me, her kino of me, her coy looks she gives me etc etc, they notice how we throw negs at each other ALL the time, BOTH of us.

Blah blah blah... fast forward to a month ago, Im still really close to her two friends, but not quite as friendly with her, i.e her friends text me 2/3 a week, she and I only speak when we see each other unplanned, which can be once a month or once every two weeks, what. We only text each other if its personally important. The three of them are planning a holiday to an Island off Spain, party island. She works a very nice job and can only get four days off. The two friends are planning on going on the first day of the month but she cant fly on that day.

Her1 texts me and is like 'hey do you want to come to Spain with Ex, and and her2, the flights are super cheap and you can stay in our apartment for the week'... 'I dunno, what dates?'... Her1 replies, I dont know, text Ex and ask her the dates shes going.

So I text Ex and am like, 'you going to spain with Her1 and Her2? What dates, might see you there' She replies with 'Im going on the fourth! You want to fly with me? I can book your ticket on my credit card and you can pay me later, come on it will be so FUN, imagine we ended up in Helsinki (personal joke)!"... anyway this conversation continues, she gets REALLY excited about us flying together, the convo lasts a few days because I kept falling asleep or just didnt bother texting back... eventually shes like all excited, 'Im booking the tickets tomorrow, the 4th to the sixth! ok?' 'yeah cool Im grand with any dates'... she doesnt text back.

I text her the next day, the last day I can buy a long-term flight ticket thing, i.e before the price jumps up. 'Shes like I'm booking it tommorrow, what dates are you going?'... I reply 'wtf... you said you were booking my fticket, whats the story, that still happening?'... 'em I cant really, I cant get the time off work'.

At the same time I'm texting Her1 and shes like 'You hear Ex booked the tickets? i so excited its going to be the best holiday ever'

So I text ex back and am like... 'Did you get my ticket or what?' No reply. Im pissed.

then the next day she texts me going 'Hey! I couldnt get the dates you wanted off work so I just booked the 4days I could get, hope to see you there, we'll do shots...'

I text her back sarcastically 'dont worry about it, Ill find my own way'

That was a month ago, I havent spoken to her since.

Anyway I want a holiday, her two friends absolutely want me to go. They told me to book flights and just fly over to them, so what if the dates crossed with Ex's. So I checked out the time I could get off work and booked a week. Turns out the week I've booked crosses with the week she'll be there.

So it will be me, her (HB10) Her1 (HB8) and Her2 (6) all in a two room apartment. I want to fuck Ex just to piss her off, and to fuck her over, soley for revenge, oh and shes a HB10 sooo.... I have no sexual interest in her two friends.

Problem is, one, she reacts terribly to negs, and snaps back with her own, and shes GOOD.

Two, she doesnt react well to isolating her, and I dont want to give her attention in the four/three way conversation we'll be having as a group. So Im not sure how to build comfort enough to isolate.

Three our relationship never got intimate previously when she was crazy about me (AFC what what).

Four, I arrive three days before her and dont know whether I should fuck a few HBs before she gets there, this wouldnt be difficult, her1 and her2 will tell her about me though. Then if she reacts badly, my return date is the same as hers, so i'll have be in her cold-ass company (because shes pissed off but pretending shes not) for 12hours on the flight...

Five, we'll be there together for four days, i dont know whether I should fuck someone while shes in the same nightclub as me, shes see me about to take the HB home and possibly get herself a bloke to take back (to the same apartment as me, just to annoy me)...

Six, I've never tried to reattract an Ex previously so dont know how to go about it? is there set steps/routines to go through?

Seven - I just realised I think I might have one-itis. At least I know how to handle it (partly) now. but still BOLLOCKS.



Advice is badly needed here lads, I know long ass post! But seriously, this situation is either going to make or break, golden or nightmare!!! HELP!


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:48 pm 
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Maybe she is on gaurd so she doesn't get hurt.. Sounds like her friends basically told you the jist of it, she isn't interested in seeing guys lately. So just take that and move on. Sometimes a no is a no...

(P.S. I gaurentee you will get absurd advice after this post about validation, qualification, kino usage, assertiveness ect. :D)

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^ a man whos opinion I respect. True sometimes a no is a 'no', but the comment she made about not being into having a man right now was a few months ago. And I know I have the advantage of attraction because before I even knew her she text a mutual friend (she didnt know I knew the mutual friend) saying 'hes so HOT, who is he?'... so the sexual attraction is there.

Oh and I havent taken no for an answer since I started using juggler/MM and I'm not about to start, and I definitely not going to let my Ex be the first one to ruin my current closing form. I reckon someone has a way around my conundrum, I just cant figure it out alone. Thats where I'm hoping people like you, and the rest of the forum chip in...


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I agree with Beschatten , her friend said she isnt looking for a guy at the moment , she doesnt want to get hurt by anyway just looking to use her.
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I want to fuck Ex just to piss her off, and to fuck her over, soley for revenge
Yeh ...... you may want to show her that you aren't going to do what you said you are going to do.

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Ok, thanks for the advice lads.

But if theres some things I've learned from sarging its these...

'assume every girl you want to fuck wants to fuck you, whether theyre HB10, an ex or a movie star'

'A no is just another way for woman to say 'not yet''

and...

always escalate. [but thats not relevant here].


Ok... is there anywhere I can read up on how to re-attract, or how to go through the steps of attraction (I know basic shit but I never read up on this I just 'did' it)... I think my problem may be I'm in the wrong 'zone' (not sure of the term)... as in I perceive myself to be in comfort phase where as she percieves differently but I dont know how to identify that shes feeling the difference... Anyt advice on something I can read online to help me with this problem?

Thanks again


*oh and the part above. Her friends who told me that she doesnt want a man right now are my good friends and they want ME to be with her, like I say, they love me, they dont know I'm just looking to f-close her for closure (Im an asshole I know, but she wont get clingy) so their not saying that to protect her feelings.


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Ah so her friends don't know of your intentions. As for stuff to read even though you haven't been using MM if you aren't sure if the comfort/ attraction is right, I suggest looking at Mystery's four M3 sequencing mistakes.

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thanks dude. I'll have a look for that in the stickys here.


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If you have any trouble finding it just send me a pm and Ill send you one back with info on it.

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Bah, her friends are either cockblocking you off or the girl is lying by saying that "she isn't interested in seeing guys lately".

Why?

Because thats total bullshit anyway.


Theres another option which is that you had her interest for a moment there but you didn't perceive your value higher than hers which made you lose the attraction and drop to the LJBF-land. Now lately when you have been introduced to PUA, she can notice that your starting to perceive your value higher than before!

This would result that her logical mind thinks of you as a LJBF chump, but her body thinks different.

Which means, by disabling her logical mind (IE. Drinking, stimulate her enough emotionally etc.) she will start giving you off lots of IOI's making it easier to escalate.

P.S. Thats just something that others haven't mentioned in the thread before ;)

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I want to fuck Ex just to piss her off, and to fuck her over, soley for revenge
Whatever happened to "leave them better then you found them"?
With that mindset I'm actually glad her friends are cock-blocking you.

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Bah, her friends are either cockblocking you off or the girl is lying by saying that "she isn't interested in seeing guys lately".

Why?

Because thats total bullshit anyway.


Theres another option which is that you had her interest for a moment there but you didn't perceive your value higher than hers which made you lose the attraction and drop to the LJBF-land. Now lately when you have been introduced to PUA, she can notice that your starting to perceive your value higher than before!

This would result that her logical mind thinks of you as a LJBF chump, but her body thinks different.

Which means, by disabling her logical mind (IE. Drinking, stimulate her enough emotionally etc.) she will start giving you off lots of IOI's making it easier to escalate.

P.S. Thats just something that others haven't mentioned in the thread before ;)
Actually Beschatten did mention this stuff
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(P.S. I gaurentee you will get absurd advice after this post about validation, qualification, kino usage, assertivenes.ect. :D)

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I want to fuck Ex just to piss her off, and to fuck her over, soley for revenge
Whatever happened to "leave them better then you found them"?
With that mindset I'm actually glad her friends are cock-blocking you.
Read the whole thread. One Nobodys cockblocking. Two I have history with her, I've already left her better than I found her.


I was mistaken with the way I phrased that statement, I'm fucking her for closure more than revenge.


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Actually Beschatten did mention this stuff
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(P.S. I gaurentee you will get absurd advice after this post about validation, qualification, kino usage, assertivenes.ect. :D)
Bah, smartass.
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One nobodys cockblocking
Phew, funny :lol:!

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Tell the mind-game queen to fuck off. What's the obsession? She's a 10? Wah wah.

Fly out with her friends and she can make her own way.

1. There are TWO other girls in the appartment
2. Spain is full of hotties.
3. Stop being dramatic.

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