Okay.. so I've been whining to myself about this for about an hour now.. and I just need to find the answer to this one question..

Why is it that when I yell at a girl for being slutty, EVERY woman supports her and calls me a stupid asshole??

Here's the situation:
The girl sends nude pictures of herself to 10 different guys all at one time. Of course, you can't trust 10 guys to keep a nude picture of you to themselves, so it spreads and all of my town knows about it.
And then the girl starts putting up pictures of herself with ripped jeans and you see her thong sticking out, along with what's really the "outer part of a vagina."

So first the dialogue goes something like this after talking for a bit:
ME: Mmm, what's going on with you and sending naked pictures of yourself to ten guys who want to bang you?
HER: Whyy?? It's not like I'm being a slut or anything like that. Besides, it's just ten guys.
ME: You know as well as I do what ten guys will do when they have a naked picture of a girl they want to bang.
HER: Wowwwwwww okay. Whatever.
ME: Pfft. Ohh you're rightt. You weren't being slutty at ALL. and what's the deal with your profile picture?
HER: Uhh.. what about it?
ME: Guys are commenting on how they can see your vagina.
HER: Who cares!!? It's like nothing compared to the whole thing.. Just a little bit. I'm not a slut.
ME: Okkkaayyyyyy.
HER: Wow. Fuck you.
I hang up.


A few minutes later all these girls start to message me about how I was an asshole and how she wasn't a slut and how I'm just jealous of why I wasn't one of these ten guys.
Now as a PUA, I don't really appreciate nor comprehend what's going on.
I don't really go for girls who act this slutty.
I don't understand why these girls are defending her even as her friends.

Help me out here and teach me a few things I'm not getting!!!
Thankss,
Grape

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oh dude i like to think im a bit of an expert on this..

shes tryin to do that for attention and its like rebelling so ur playing into her hands by sounding like a parent.. you know put on a longer skirt/you have too mch make up on... its repetitive and dull for her!!

what you need to do is underplay the situation... be like 'yeh its good ur out enjoying teenage life' 'your fun.. i like that'

just stuff like that that doesnt make a big deal out of it.

im sensing you disagree cause you want her! right?... u wnted to be one of the 10 guys?

well if u do just do what i said above.. also call her antics cute and say it in a neg way.. like shes quite immature along with the rest above... easy!

To kind of change the subject - why waste your breath with that argument?

She does it because she wants people to tell her she's hot and how they want to do this and that to her. It's validation. She knows it's low status behaviour or she wouldn't have qualified herself.

Is this per chance an ex-romance?

Her friends aren't defending her ALTHOUGH they're friends. They're defending her BECAUSE they're friends. Friends do that. What would you say if I told you that your sister was hunchbacked?

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Actually, I'm turned off by her. Seriously, she was being a slut. I have standards.

My goal is not to laid by just hot women but by HIGH VALUE women with some class.

And when every guy comments her picture with either a tease or IOI, what do I do??
She wasn't doing this just to grab my attention. That's being egocentric.

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1. Because this has happened to me with about four different girls.
2. Three of them were ex-romances. Another just a stranger.
3. All of them were the hot girls who had no sense of "class" or "standards", otherwise.. validation seeking.
4. If my sister really was hunchbacked, I'd kick you ass. xDDD If she wasn't, then I'd laugh and ignore you.

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Wow dude. My first reaction was "Wow, this Grape dude IS an asshole," but then I realized that there's just some misunderstanding going on.

Good lordy where do I begin...

I'll get back to you once I figure out where to begin.

EDIT: Getting back to you now.

OK, first of all, drop the whole high and mighty act of "I have standards and I don't like sluts." Try to be compassionate and understanding here. It's one thing to have standards, but criticizing women for expressing their sexuality is one of the deadliest sins for PUAs. I believe it's worse than supplication.

For countless generations, unenlightened and greedy men have been using women as a sexual resource rather than sexual partners. Men have essentially been using women as a commodity in this manner, letting their egos get the best of them.

The guys at the top had the biggest egos of them all. They had harems of beautiful women to unnecessarily show off their status, and they didn't want to share the love with any other men. These rulers suffered from the illusion of separation like any other common man. To protect their assets, they made something called marriage, basically introducing the concept of lifelong monogamy to the masses.

Marriage for the masses achieved several things. One, it made it unlawful for other men to sleep with women from the king's harem. Two, it kept the common man happy ENOUGH to bind at least one woman to a sexual relationship with them. Three, it spawned a lot of unnatural drama that soap operas and Hollywood are profiting from tremendously. Four, it pisses me off.

This REALLY sucked for women, though. Women are naturally VERY sexual beings. All of them. Nowadays that may be hard to believe, but hear me out. Face it, you want to have sex with a lot of women. Women aren't so different. They want to have a lot of sex, too. It feels a lot better for them than it does for us. Since monogamy became THE LAW, AFCs who couldn't get any tail could now force at least one woman to fuck them with arranged marriages and shit like that. In fact, they now had the option of raping a virgin and forcing her to marry him lest she be shunned by the church and government for breaking a holy covenant or some other crazy dogmatic shit. Women who expressed their natural sexual selves were shunned. Women who had sex outside of wedlock were publicly stoned to death. Here in America, they were accused of being witches and being publicly drowned and burned at stakes. This sent a HUGE message to the women of the world: IF YOU EXPRESS YOUR SEXUALITY, YOU COULD FUCKING DIE.

To this day, this creates a perpetual conflict within every sexual cognizant woman. She wants to have sex, but she needs to repress herself because society will label her as a slut if she's honest. In fact, I believe this internal feminine conflict is starting to become a part of our human evolution, and that scares the shit out of me. You can tell it is because many women are now GENUINELY confused as to what they want.

Most guys today perpetuate this conflict even further by sending mixed signals to women. They react favorably to women who express their sexuality at times, but belittle them for doing it at other times. You're doing exactly that. You're scolding her for being a "slut," but I bet you wouldn't dare do such a thing while she was sucking your dick. Don't be a hypocrite.

We wouldn't even need pickup if people just stopped seeing sex and sexuality as a bad thing.

If a girl has a sexually open attitude, I'm grateful to the universe for making some RIGHT happen. I can't even dream of YELLING AT HER FOR BEING A SLUT. That's fucking ridiculous and completely hypocritical to everything that I stand for as a PUA. As a PUA, I believe in sex. It's kinda simple.

I could go on all day about this "slut" bullshit, but I think I got my point across.

I'll PM you my email. Can you send the pics?

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I think you're getting mixed up Grape, she's not a slut, she's a bitch. Always remember: A slut is somebody who sleeps with everybody, a bitch is somebody who sleeps with everybody except you!!

Maybe I didn't word it right in my first post...
I'm not attracted to her and don't want to sleep with her. It's just what everyone of her friends are assuming.

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And Chief, I can see where you're coming from. What you're saying is what's going on in a woman's mind. Sluts don't exist until they literally get paid for sex since it's the definition, I get it.
She's naturally sexual and does many sexual things like validate her sexuality by making more men want her.
A long time ago when laws weren't real and tribes just had rules, alpha males would seduce tons of females, and females would have to make her that alpha male would support her all the way.
But in order to get the alpha male, she wanted validation from the beta males for a stronger sense of feminine power.

These girls constantly flirt with guys, looking for the alpha male, and meeting tons of guys. Some people might refer to this as being slutty.
But honestly, there's something about giving out nude pictures to ten guys...
By instinct, she should only need one of them to seduce her and keep her safe. Why want soo many? Instinctive selfishness?

I'm trying to figure this out instead staying mad and ignorant.
Lastly, many women would love to have me seduce them, it's something I encounter as a PUA. But I don't exactly like all of them now do I? Just as a girl can be ugly on the outside and unattractive, a girl can be ugly on the inside and unattractive.

You may now be thinking, "But a girl expressing her sexuality isn't ugly. It's nature, a survival mechanism to find the strongest alpha."

Chief, would you seduce any "HOT" girl who wanted to suck your dick?
Or would you disqualify most of them and choose only a couple of few of the ones who go beyond looks?

This girl is showing off her looks, nothing more, by sending pics of herself.
And she expects every guy to just immediately want to seduce her.
This is very beta, in my opinion.

I can either qualify her and just see her outer beauty as something that piqued my interest in her. So I can see if she's cool in the inside as well. (Which is what a PUA would do.)
OR
I can be disgusted by the fact that she's seeking validation about her outer beauty. ("Having Standards")

But, all these beta males have made outer beauty SUCH a big deal that girls do get insecure about them, "Am I one who's seen as pretty or ugly? Is my body good enough for an alpha?"

Aren't the pathetic approaches by AFCs and the constant attention by guys enough to tell her she's more than satisfactory??

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Okay, my views have changed vastly from the start of this post to the end.
Now, I don't see her as a slut. I see her as validation seeking for her looks. But she seeks validation soo desperately she needs to make sure her entire body up and down is good enough, and needs to be validated by TEN guys.
Every human has insecurities. We all do.
It's just some people are insecure about less important things. Like how I used to be extremely insecure about my looks, which was a huge turn off to women.
Same as how a HOT girl insecure about her looks, just doesn't make sense to me. All these guys approach her and comment on how beautiful she is. So, it means she's very very insecure. But,, this isn't just one girl we're talking about. It's FOUR different girls.

Are girls honestly this insecure about their outer sexuality??
This also explains why her friends defended her.
I was yelling at her for a senseless reason.

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First of all, not all of us have insecurities. In fact, the only thing I could be insecure about is being too awesome. But really, you probably just triggered a "banding" effect. This girl may be every inch the slut you think she is and maybe everyone else knows it too, but attacking this girl causes the banding effect. They jump at the attacker no matter what was said or how true. And Chief, there are "sluts" and not just sexually liberated women. I'll give you an example. Firstly, I am very much not into anal sex... Now I know this girls who has basically been filled out more than DMV paper work. I would rather fuck her in the ass because hopefully...just maybe, its cleaner than her pussy. I'm speaking of a life and death situation of coarse.

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When women fight they tend to avoid things like common sense and logic.

The bitch doesnt make sense.

If the bitch made sense, she would be a man.

If you want to date someone who makes sense and is easy to understand, go date a dude.

If you dont want to date her, than why should you give a fuck?

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Where are my pictures grape?

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Game her => F close her => THEN say, "See! I told you you were a slut!"

But seriously, if you have no attraction to this girl then just freeze her out and hopefully the problem will go away.

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Pics? Seriously Grape I want them.

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Just post her email, he'll get them direct.

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