Is the 3 second rule a contradiction to the rule "an amature hits on the girl right away, but the pro waits 10 minutes"?

Both rules are talked about in the MM DVD series and in The Game. Are they contradictory or do they work hand in hand? I know what both of them means but I want to get feedback from everyone else.

im no pua yet, but i dont believe that rule just yet. i mean ill come into a room, see the girl busy already, and maybe a couple minutes later aproach and talk. but, i personally think its made to get you to just go and talk right away. better now then never. i think 3 seconds might be a little harsh though. it'd be kinda hard to get from 1 side of the club to another in 3 seconds w/o makin a scene.

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I tend to use the 3 Second rule as much as possible! As far as im conserned, if a Girl looks at you, thats a subcontious invite! So go over whilst the idea of wanting to meet you is still on her mind!

Dont give her the opportunity to have any negative thoughts! The think that has helped me the most whilst learning the game is getting out of the mind set that I should be happy if a girl will talk to me! Screw that!!!! Im the interesting One! And they will be happy to hear what i have to say! I know it sounds Quite big headed, but why not! Breed Confidence and it'll show!

Hope that helps!

!Climax!

I think I know what the quote is trying to get at. "An amateur hits on the girl right away, but the pro waits 10 minutes". I don't think that is a reference to when you should approach. It's more of a guideline when you should start "hitting on the girl".

I see it this way: The cluless man aka the amateur in the quote, will walk up to a SHB and say something like "Did it hurt when you fell from heaven?" immediately upon meeting her. He hits on her right away.

The pro on the other hand, will open with a smart opener and make friendly conversation for 10 minutes, before switching gears and hitting on her. He has waited 10 minutes.

The quote is just telling you not to hit on a girl right away and to be smart about your PUs.



As for your other question, I would say that the 3 sec. rule is really useful. It drowns out all other thoughts and doubts and gets you approaching girls more.

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i like what u say saros. great analaysis. i diddnt think of it that way. of course headding up to a hb and saying that they are an angel from heaven isnt going to work. i dont know why people dont realize that pick up lines dont really work, they are there for joke.

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Nice analysis saros.

In my opinion I think the 3 second rule is there to "practice" and learn confidence/comfort in approaching. Like Saros said, you wait.. your fear grows and it gets worse and you're more likely to crumble. The more you do the 3 seconds rule the more comfortable you will be at opening so when a SHB comes along, you may not open in 3 seconds but atleast you can open without that fear because you're comfortable with it.

You crawl before you walk...

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Yes, absolutely true, the 3 seconds rule works because it help you avoid fear of talking to a HB, fear of rejection, etc. This feeling dont have time to develop inside of you if you respect this rule.
But one important aclaration, you have to know your game, you have to be prepared, have an opener ready, topics of cocky funny conversation, close, all the deal; because if you dont know what to do next, you are going to crash. Remember, be prepared, do your homework.

The 3 sec rule is more for your reaction time initially, like the other posts say. I'd give 1-2 mo's of the 3 sec. rule and then move on. I wouldn't really go past 10 mins because you might start to lose your focus and your ability to make a decision, ending up back where you started.

The 3s rule was made so that you don't start to second guess yourself. No matter who the PUA is, he will always start to second guess himself (so says Mystery and Style). I've been doing PU for a good 6 months (I know, not much time) but I still respect the 3s rule. When I approach after 3s, I know whether or not it is subconciously, that the PU is not going as well as it possibly can.

The rule does not contradict the "wait 10-15 min." clause because they are talking about two different stages of the sarge. The 3s rule is in A1 whereas the 10-15 min rule is in C-stage. You are supposed to wait 10-15 minutes to start hitting on the girl because you approached indirectly (if you follow Mystery). After about 10-15 minutes, you have to make your intentions clear through a mix on Kino and innuendo, otherwise you will be stuffed into the LJBF thing, and no one wants that.

~Kurent

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yeah, I got the same idea about the 3 second rule.
As well, waiting 10 minutes to hit on the girl is pretty smart, assuming she is being quite friendly and stuff. funny thing is, I have had this friend for like 8 months and only now am I switching gears. LOL.


Nice thread.