Hey guys,

Spent a lot of time in here when i was in high school, got laid more than anyone in my school towards the end of that. Dated the girl of my dreams for the following year but ended things because i was looking for something that women, relationships, school, and conventional activities in general could not provide me with. Experimented with a couple drugs, then wound up checking out different eastern (as well as some western) philosophies about the nature of reality and the universe in general. This brought me to meditation, where i've spent the past year actively practicing different forms/varieties but have ultimately come back to the "open space" or awareness meditation. dumb simple.

This, for me, has been absolutely life changing, and i imagine would be for anyone who actively engaged/committed to for any length of time >a week. But. for the sake of not overselling how to fix one's entire life, i'll stick to why this has helped my game..

Imagine, if you will, that upon this investigation, that you actually experience a direct union between yourself and the objects external to you. Can you see how this might spill over into your relationships in general? imagine you could fully feel what the person in front of you felt, imagine the newfound data you would become aware of, if you immediately came into an incredibly deep rapport just upon seeing someone and that that person immediately entered into it with you.

I read something Gambler wrote in a book once back in high school. He was highlighting an evening he had where he said the girl he had met 5 minutes prior was now resting her head on his shoulder saying she felt like she had known him for years. I have girls say this to me now. I have girls confess their deepest darkest shit to me within 10-20 minutes of conversation. Their stories, their passions, the real juice of their lives and i don't even ask. I literally don't do anything. I just sit there. in union. with them. Then they ask for my number, and it goes as fluidly and easily from there as it does from the beginning.

We talk about naturals and whatnot and i think we are all more or less naturals, but society, and conditioning and whatnot have taken us from an otherwise natural state and left us searching for novel theories on game and whatnot. To me, its really about a return to our natural condition, and then an improvement and evolution of it through the means of arrival.. meditation/awareness.

To be clear, i'm not some spiritual junky hipster or whatever. I'm a math/physics major at a big research school. I produce music with my friends in my spare time, and like to hike. My looks are above average but not highly so. Past all that i don't think any amount of intelligence, theory, or whatever can be put in place, or really even compare to, the gains in social amiability that awareness brings. Not to mention the insight into oneself, and the natural unfolding of improvement that flows from such insight.

Anyway, I'd say thats about the extent of my contribution, since theres not really that much to say about awareness, other than to recommend this book "Presence" by Rupert Spira for a long form guide into one's "blind spots".

Interesting post! I understand where you're coming from, I'm just starting to read Eckhart Tolle at the moment.
I might have a look at Presence - do you have any other recommendations?
Thich Nhat Hanh's books are also worth a read for anyone else interested.

_________________
I was feeling like a creep as I watched you asleep
face down in the grass in the park in the middle of hot afternoon
Your top was untied and I thought how nice it'd be to follow the sweat down your spine.

- Dave Matthews Band, Dream Girl

Meditation is bullshit.

_________________
These hos ain't loyal

Science says otherwise.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_on_meditation

http://www.collective-evolution.com/201 ... the-brain/

http://www.theatlantic.com/education/ar ... te/283229/

Meditation works and climate change is real.

Saying that meditation doesn't work is like saying that diet and exercise doesn't work. They all work to accomplish the goals they are meant to accomplish; you just have to stick with it long enough to see the very real effects.

Fat fucks say that dieting and exercise don't work because they just go to the gym just during the month of January, skip a couple meals here and there, and don't end up looking like the celebrities in the magazine.

People like you say that meditation doesn't work for pretty much the same reason.

Badass. Meditation leads to creativity. People who spend time just thinking, end up being more creative.

Peiper, Got any more books or materials you want to recommend? I will eat them up.

Nice try at making a comparison of two completely unrelated things then saying "if you doubt A, you 're the same as doubting B," even though B has been proven by biology and science over and over and A is a pile of bullshit touted by the same idiots that push homeopathy, energy healing naturopathy, chinese medicine, so and on so forth. For instance, the harvard study simply showed that meditation led to activity in the brain.

Chief, you are a fool. I will take science over nonsense every day of the week. It's spiritual, pseudoscientific bullshit that ruins pickup by trying to force people into being their little cultists.

_________________
These hos ain't loyal

What did meditation ever do to you? You seem super bitter about it like a Buddha killed your parents or some shit.

It works, there's evidence (more than I cared to provide in my previous post), it's worked for me, it's worked for people in this thread, and it's worked for an entire group of people dedicated to one of the world's most popular religions.

The same idiots that push retarded stuff like homeopathy will probably also tell you that quinoa is a very healthy food. They wouldn't be wrong. Ad hominem, kiddo.

But yeah you're seriously starting to sound like those fat mental gymnasts who lambast healthy exercise. If you really would take science over nonsense you would know that your dogmatic rejection of an idea like this is extremely unbecoming of a scientific mind. So, yeah... you're full of shit.

im an atheist and 100% completely doubt anything supernatural. But, meditation is the science of calming the mind and getting control of your mind as to not fall into repetitive, non-productive thought patterns. have you ever walked around thinking about things that you aren't trying to think about? Most people don't notice this because its constantly happening without them trying to do it. When you meditate you realize that these thought patterns can be broken if you bring attention to them. If you work at it, you can gain more control of your thoughts, which in turn can lead to more confidence, and a dwindling of the ego. These things can all be beneficial for health, and has been proved by science over and over again. A quick google on the subject shows many reliable sources, but nothing can compare to finding out for yourself.Meditation doesn't mean you have to sit cross legged, its just the act of doing nothing.

just to add, you don't notice how helpful it is to be physically strong until there is a boulder on top of you, that you have to push. you dont notice how helpful it is to have a still mind until something goes wrong in your life like the passing of a loved one, a divorce, or some other situation where shit hits the fan and you get all shook up.

Does meditation work? I dont know nor do I care. Just dont become one of those guys who meditate for 3 - 4 hours a day and then think they are improving their life. At that point it just becomes mental masturbation.

Wanna meditate then do it for a little while but then get up and go after your goals.

I agree with you that sitting for three hours a day meditating is not good for achieving external goals, but someone does not need
To be sitting still to "meditate." Someone can
Just keep their still frame of mind through focused attention while doing any activity throughout the day.

I'm agreeing with you, but also adding another point

Science can't explain the color magenta. How can we expect it to explain every aspect of mind and brain? OP said it worked for him, therefore I have no reason to doubt it worked for him.

_________________
mpuaforum.proboards.com

Could you point me in the right direction?
currently involved in a couple of books and don't really have the time too start another one.

Meditation does work. We used it in the military, in combat which is categorized under extreme stress. It has helped us guys in Iraq and those who served in Afghanistan to keep us "cool" under pressure. I dare those who never tried meditation, gi-gong, tai chi, yoga, etc and then try picking up game. And tell me that your game has not gotten better, smoother or more natural. (Text redacted by moderator for thread derailing)

Hey i didn't read all of what you said here, but there is some good science on the topic. I'm a physics major myself so i rarely go for things that have an effect which isn't well researched. This is one link here: http://www.drfredtravis.com/talking%20p ... %20SOC.htm

.. which discusses the improvement of alpha wave coherence in the brain. Its actually a night and day difference between normal tasking and meditation. You'll see it pretty clearly if you take a look at the slides there.

Anyway, i didn't read much of what i said in the intro post to the thread either, but my stance with the whole thing has kind of changed since the date anyway. As the result of gaining more experience with the practice, i'd say the whole thing just brings you down into a sort of deep calm, or restful alertness. If you persist in the practice, that state becomes more and more of your ongoing experience outside of meditation itself. Its actually really pleasant, aside from the positive effects on your game.

But in terms of game lol, since thats what were here for.. i think the results are quite positive, tho they're probably more significant for newbies than veterans. That said, i think both can benefit in some real ways. I personally would consider myself to be somewhere in between the two, maybe even more of a newb than a vet, but i know how it helps in other areas of my life and i can say that no matter your level, facing the reality of your situation, whatever it is, will be easy to do if you have this practice going.. which i think is pretty essential.. we need to be able to diagnose and deal with problems effectively if we want to improve, and there is less of a desire (or capacity) to do that if we get deregulated every time we face facts.