Back in the August/September of 2007 there existed a number of PU powerhouses in this forum. Members who possessed knowlege far greater than many of their counterparts here at Pick-Up Artist Forum. These were great men who many of you looked up to and admired.. Many of you who remember them I am certain used their advice to better yourselves..

For those of you who dont remember I am sure you are asking 'Where have these magic men of PU gone..!?' Well, this is a sad tale, that I will, against tears and sadness divulge to you. Methuselah was a young up and coming new jersey pua, who saw more potential in this art than many others, he sought a way to make it not only about women but living a life that was envied by men and desired by women.

But when his ideas were mocked and a man who many of you up until recently admired rallied support to soil his, and many of his friends names. He was inevitably banned and ostracised, and his friends like him. Banned for being loyal to a man that they knew was spot on with his ideas about PU. But when this man that up until recently many of you admired was ousted as a fraud and a liar, the truth finally came out about who was right and who was pretending to be right for his reputation.

So I emplor you, to see reason. Reinstate these magic men, for your own benefit. These are the men with the correct answers.. If you agree with what I have said, I humbly ask that you submit your name onto this petition to have the following men unbanned from this forum..

-Methuselah
-Giacomo
-Difference
-Numen
-Ming the Merciless
-Apollo
-Romeo
-Chikito
-Blackbull

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What a title!

First on the list!

I want them to be able have a chance to post here but don't agree on everything you said

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Half of them were banned or left not long after i joined, so i did'nt get to see too much of them. I remember Romeo making some good posts though, i read his last post and i think he got banned because of the way he talks to some of the newbies.
I know meth wont be coming back for sure.

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Hey Fahrenheit great request my man. I don't cruise by this forum so much anymore... but I do feel that these awesome guys, ALL of whom are mentors for me + people I look up to greatly in the community, should be reinstated around here. Whether they WANT to come back or not, well that's up to them...

Pick up isn't just about women... It's about creating a well rounded Lifestyle, and taking steps to become your ideal self in all aspects of your life. This is something I've believed since the very beginning, and these gentlemen hold these same values to their very core.

Did you forget Blackbull?

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I really liked the way some of those members thought, one member left off that list was BlackBull and he also contributed to my first thread here for which I am grateful.

It's too bad forum politics forced them out, just as it forced Tripp out (the irony of which was not lost on any of the older members here). I am almost always opposed to losing contributing members of a forum, it just makes the community weaker. Our differences is what makes us strong...I am no more interested in staying in a forum of brainwashed RSD clones than I am in picking up physically or emotionally unattractive women.

I wish the two opposite sides could have found a way to coexist...sort of like Democrats and Republicans. We should be united in our goals of bettering ourselves and our dealings with the opposite sex, not divided over the personalities and methods of how to reach those goals.

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You guys are both right, I left him off the list by accident.. I'll fix that now.

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'Oh my, you sir are the Moriarty of self awareness and personnal refelection'

What a title!

I got curious, as you do, and decided to read some of the old posts.
How on earth did i miss that 'The myth of DHV' thread.

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I can't believe The Wild One ain't on your list.

Who was this fraud and liar? And how many people were following him?

Is is really possible for Democrats and Republicans to work together? Hillary and Obama can't even work together, and they are both Democrat.

wow, AFCAdam? You've got quite a reputation in the community. Welcome to PUAF. Great to see you here.

I'm just a fan of his.

haha nice

You may want to post that in your profile or alter your username in some way to clear up any potential confusion.

It's not like I'm gunna go start a new band and call it "Metallica" because I'm a fan of theirs.

Yeah and did you see what it turned into???

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It sure would, except they weren't banned because of a dissagreement between L.A. Tripp and Meth, it was because they were flaming members of the board, they were breaking rules, they failed to change their actions after being warned and went on to make attacks against the moderators and owner of the forum.

I for one thought that many of those guys had great knowledge and potential, but they were highly incongruent between what they preached and what they practiced, because otherwise they would have been much more diplomatic. I continued to refer people to them, regardless of differences, because as I said, I believe them to be talented PUAs from what I've seen, but then they started making attacks against me, merely through association with Tripp, without having ever met me, or anyone that has met me.

They may have good ideas, but they don't play nice with others that have differing opinions and that is part of what makes this forum great, the ability to have differing styles and opinions, but still find common ground and respect for each other.

Due to their actions and refusal to cease making attacks against the owner and members of the forum, they won't be coming back.

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Chief999 wrote:
For the record, I just looked through some of The Wild One's posts. I don't think it was right that he went that far in harassing some people.

There's a difference between cutting through roundabout bullshit and harassment, though. What The Wild One did was wrong in my opinion, but I still think he should be given a second chance.


He was given a second chance, same as all the other members on that list, several of which were given many chances based upon their knowledge and standing on the board. They refused to change their actions and they continued to post inflammatory things against members of the board, moderators and the owner of the forum.

For the record, moderators have ZERO ability to ban members. I can't do it, it's impossible for me to do. Who did? Brad. Who was getting much more upset about this than myself? Brad. Who said that they are banned for life and will never ever come back? BRAD.

I am merely communicating what has occurred and what he has said to us as moderators. If you have a problem with it, take it up with Brad in PM and keep it off the boards. This is the kind of drama that got them fighting over stupid stuff that never should have been taken as far as it went.

I tried to reason with the guys, because I saw value in their teachings, but they violated many forum rules and when warned to stop, most of them decided to go all out and start posting as much inflammatory stuff as possible before they were banned.

This is not an attack against their forums or their teachings, this is a matter of business. There are other members from those forums that are still around, such as Chief from Wild One's and Monkey from Meth's. Monkey and I exchanged some PMs and he was civil with me and didn't make any attacks against members of the forum, thus he is still around. If the other members of those boards had acted similarly, then they would be around as well. They did not, they were warned and didn't comply. 3 strikes you're out.

I'm shocked that you all have such wishy washy values that you think people need second chances when they screw up this badly, yet when a HB flakes on you twice you cut her out of your life. Be congruent in all parts of your life.

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