It works, it's fine, it can get you where you want to be, but only if you have the right mind to it. It's divided into conditioning and theory, but what I mostly see is people who take in and absorb as much theory as they can and then try to condition themselves to it in one go, thinking of conditioning only in terms of how many women they approach, of how high their approach count is.

No, that's not how it works. During the conditioning you need to grow those theories and associations into yourself, into your own mind. You need to condition your mind to see things in the same way the theory tells you to. You shouldn't freeze up whenever you're in the spotlight by trying to go through everything you've memorized and decide how you should respond, that's not what conditioning is.

And confidence doesn't come from within, it comes from results. By seeing consistency in the way you behave and the results you get from it, you build up your confidence and thus you'll feel less nervous, anxious or awkward in similar situations. That's another thing conditioning is good for.

Finally, I'd say another thing I see is people trying to change what doesn't need to be changed. Changing yourself, acquiring a new skill, habit or behavior is costly, it doesn't come free and it doesn't come easily. You should strive to change yourself only when seeing it as absolutely necessary for the effect you're looking for. You should analyse the expected change, what will take for it to happen, how long and how much effort, and how it will help you when considering the rest of what you have, how the whole set will work together and how you'll be better off with it. Usually things you want to change are very general in nature, like confidence, self-respect and appearance. You should be wary of too specific changes, they're usually only needed in very specific situations.

Facing same problem. People come to me and and eat the theory part as much as they can and after some fails in the field they stop approaching girls and it really hurt.

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That is pretty common. What do they say? That it isn't working? Or that they aren't cut out for it?

Literally LOL'd at my desk at the office.

I don't understand the joke, can someone clue me in?

How to improve with women:
1. Max out your looks(may take a few years)
2. Be cool(may take a few years to get the hang of)
3. Have a plan(screening, logistics)
4. Make a move

That's about it. Problem is, all the theory is mostly worthless. It has at most, impact around the periphery. There isn't a lot of skill that goes into getting women. It's mostly physical attraction, her thinking you're cool, her being comfortable with you, your sexual escalation skills, and you making it possible for you two to have sex. That's it. All the stuff about frame control, and DHVs, and being free from outcomes, and being funny, and being an "alpha" and having hobbies and etc, etc, has fuck all to do with getting laid.

If she thinks you're hot and cool, and she's sexually available, congrats, you're in. If not, you're probably out of luck.
There is just way too much focus on what to do and say. The early game is looks and vibe. The mid game is coolness and comfort. The end game is escalation and logistics.

It's really just a few "skills" you're looking at. And most of them are not closely focused on. Instead looking to minor things that make very little difference on average.

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Great stuff. Another piece I wish I would have read when first joining this site. I have always had women attracted to me physically and am a great conversationalist but was the biggest clown when it came to showing my sexual interest and moving forward. Girls would take me as the hot guy they don't have a chance with because he is probably dating someone. All it took was some showing some interest, honestly could have said it outright, and I would have been in.

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I both agree and disagree.

Becoming a successful attraction expert indeed can be boiled down into a few broad categories, including the ones you mentioned.

However, how the fuck do you get there? If you're NOT cool, if you don't have the right vibe, how do you develop it? It's not enough to just say "be cool" because I don't know what the fuck being cool consists of. I was at the point and stage where I literally had no idea what to say to a woman!!!!

Being free from outcomes, being funny, having spare time...all of these are necessary parts of broader goals and it is IMPERATIVE that you understand these smaller parts in order to achieve the broader goals.

Being free of outcome is by far the largest take away for a noob on these boards and in life. Like I suggested in another thread, say the first thing that comes to your head, make an immediate move. This goes along with that old "3 second rule." But do not think about it as a strategy but as doing what you want, originating from your instincts. She's cute, you are interested, approach her and strike up convo.

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Nice, I'd never seen it put like that. It makes sense. Attract, maintain and stabilize, lead it somewhere.
I agree most theory is superfluous, different ways of doing the same thing. There's no need to learn cold reading to get girls or anything like that. They are useful skills that can come later, after you actually get your rhythm going.

Lol. After all that, you made it to the framework in which 99.9% of all PUA programs are built on.

Attract, comfort, seduce.

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Is that so? Here on the forums I see people asking questions and worrying about the silliest things.

I think that's part of your problem from when you first joined this community in particular when people were sort of making fun of your approach to things. You came in giving off the vibe that you were going to teach everyone the right way to do things to the point that you created a thread dedicated to yourself answering questions. The whole attract, comfort, seduce thing has been around since the 90's and you just managed to realize that it made sense just a few hours ago.

People may worry about silly things and create posts about it, but maybe you can relate now. You created a post here about your thoughts on pick-up artistry without understanding its core. But now that you understand the core, maybe you can read those posts and figure out what stage of seduction that the poster is asking about and be less judgmental about why they are asking.

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I said I'd never seen it put in that way, that it is a very practical way of saying that is easily understood.

I proposed to help people because I believed myself able to and I still do, nothing has changed. The community answered differently and I abandoned that thread, but still in other threads it's the same as I've said. People trying out things they've seen somewhere while their confidence is inexistent, people misunderstanding things and others recommending new methods and behaviors instead of trying to understand and correct their misconceptions. That's what this thread is about, people worrying about the wrong things while ignoring the core.

It's the core. If you never seen it put that way, you haven't really been in the community or have been away since the 80's. Either way it's fine, if you have something to offer, people will appreciate it. They will probably appreciate it more if you don't consider the people on the forums as people that worry about silly things.

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