Weekend 1 :

Take 2 days, friday and Saturday, and just practice openers. Go direct, Indirect., talk to girls for 1-2min, and eject. See you later girls.Choose 2 big clubs and approach all girls in clubs. Find what works, what doesn't work for you. Try direct, indirect, conversational. Try different energy, try being nice on opener, try being dominant. Do as many mistakes as possible. You are doing this only once in a lifetime.

Get used to go in and eject. Just open and close. Do a 50 approaches each night.

Do this and you will get really good at opening. You will find things that work and don’t work.Do not blame yourself for rejections. try to learn from them. Lot’s of things won’t work. Find few openers that give you best results and remember those ones.

50approaches X 2min = 100min = 2hours. Those 2 nights will change your life. Go Wild.

If you are afraid to destroy your city, go to some city/ town nearby.

weekend 2 :

Go out and do 30 approaches per night, and focus only on conversation. Try to get to know them, as if you you are talking with friend. Don't try to impress them, get attraction, nothing, just make solid conversation. Try to get to know who are they, their dreams, fantasies, fears, what to they like, what do they hate..
Focus on those topics :Music, sports, hobbies, movies, travel, childhood, family, relationships. Do not try to pick them up, just open and become their friend. Focus on creating connection. Let them see you as a friend. I know this doesn't makes sense right now, but trust me on a word here. I am writing you this letter 20 years from now.
I will give you a hint about conversation : Tell Stories. Lots of stories, and they will open up. do not take a phone numbers, or try to close them, just high five, thank them for conversation and eject. Leave positive energy in a each group before you leave.

Do 60 approaches this weekend.

weekend 3 :

this weekend is crucial. take friday and saturday, and do this same thing as last weekend, but this time just add sexual energy on top of friendly conversation. Last weekend girls saw you as a friend, now they will start seeing you as a guy to have sex with.I want you to focus only on one thing and that is Turning them on. Making them horny.Think at home how will you do it, verbally and non-verbally. think of moves and sentences.
Hint : Be dirty with a smile on face, and whisper to their left ear.
Go out and try million ways to get them sexual, get them horny. Some will work some not.
Do not try to fuck them, just play with emotions. Get them horny, then, get them back logical, then horny again. Practice this whole weekend. This is the secret element of seduction.

Weekend 4 :

This weekend you will only focus on kissing. I want you to do this. take again 2 days, do a 30 approaches each night. and try to open, get conversation with a girl and kiss her.

Try to kiss after 5min, 10min, 20min, try different kiss close, Verbal, non verbal.Find what works and what doesn't work for you. Do not get nervous. Set yourself an alarm on your phone for 5 min, and once alarm goes on, force yourself to kiss her. Your mind will find a way to kiss her. Expect 90% of rejections and mistakes. That’s good, that’s perfect. Because the 10% you find will be pure gold, and it will be 100% of your future game. Go out and find those 10% that work. take 2 weekends for this if you need it. Kissing girls under pressure has to be for you like drinking water. you just execute, no thinking involved.


Weekend 5 :

Again, take 2 days and practice Isolation girls away form her friends. Leading.
This is the last element you have to practice. Do 20 approaches per night. Focus on groups only. 2/3/4/5 girls. Open, get conversation for 5 min, and figure out how to isolate them away from friends. Don't do anything else. Isolate, bring them back to group and eject.


This 5 weekends will give you everything you need for foundations for a good game.
I challenge you to do it. ​"

​ I challenge all of you guys as well to do it, and report me back how its going for you.



Badboy

Sincerely,
Badboy
badboy@badboylifestyle.com

I mostly think Badboy is insane, and would not follow what he suggests, but this is actually solid. It sounds like a very good roadmap to getting better fast. And it pretty clearly lays out that you're doing all of these approaches temporarily. The spam approach is to learn to be familiar with a few common skills you need for most SNLs.
The man is funny, though.

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It's good because he's breaking it down to skills a person can learn a step at time which speeds up the process. Instead of taking 4 years to become really good (A quote from Mystery) a person can become really good in months.

Yes, I read through his blog briefly. I also liked his 3 things he would do differently. and tells you to go out of town to get started, so you don't wreck your home town. If you're gonna do a thousand approaches in a month, do not do it where you live.
There are usually only a few thousand hot girls, even in a major city.

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All very true points I've been begging a lot of newbies to listen to for a long time now...

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This method of learning game is exactly what Mystery and Style advocated several years ago. Small chuncking I think they called it...take one piece and practice that and then once you're good at that add the next piece. It's funny how people (not you) shit on Mystery yet his advice is still 95% of what the community figures out works (years afterwards) like its new. Good post though.

This is a "yeah, but" area. Mystery did say to go out 3+x per week and hit on at least 50 girls. But he also said to do it in your home town, and you'd need to approach at least 3,000 girls before you could expect to have even minimal skill.
That's an insane amount of rejection and why %95+ of people who start PUA never finish. And as Badboy said, you hit on a few thousand girls in your hometown, and there are no more hot girls left. If your city has a million people, only about 6k of them are attractive, single women.
Half are men(500k) 3/4 are fat or ugly(125k) 4/5 are not in your age range(25k) half are married or serious boyfriends(12k). And that's your pool of "bangable" girls. Hot? It's probably 1/4 of that(3k). Then they have to actually go out(1.5k). Yikes. City of a million people, and you probably have about 1,500 hot women to meet in a bar/club.
You're gonna burn through those very, very fast doing this.

And many of the skills Mystery suggested you work on(like DHVing and "qualification") are bullshit. Mystery says plenty of useful things. His whole "take her to multiple places, and places inside the same building count" was huge for me. But I tossed %90 of what he said, because it was obviously retarded. Mystery has some good advice, but a lot of bad advice. And the reason I and most people shit on Mystery, is because if you follow MM as designed, you'll just end up as an unsuccessful weirdo.

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Yeah that's the thing. I don't get why someone would end up a weirdo from MM. Emphasized in MM is taking feedback and adapting what you do to the reactions you get. Which is less likely to cause you to be weird when compared with other schools. You're playing with the variables; what you say, your style, your body language and tweaking it constantly till you get the reactions you want. If you end up weird, then you're not doing what it says, ie taking feedback.

As to rejections and number of sets, they advocated "sarging" in other towns if you can as practice. The 3000 girls thing is bs, but apples to guys starting from the bottom. Lol nowadays, I hear that the non MM guys expect to get good after 10,000 girls, and I've met more guys who are closer to 10,000 approaches with RSD or other schools who arent decent than MM guys closer to 3,000 approaches. Plus, it's pretty safe from rejection. It's indirect opening...it's less pushy than the other schools. So what I see is guys get less bad responses and rejections because it's more strategic and safe. Low risk low reward. Since it plays so safe, you're not going to be getting chicks blowing you in the bathroom in 5 mins. But you're not gonna get the harsh rejections you'll see elsewhere. Since it's so neutral, you're moving slower, but safer.

DHV's are just stories and learning how to make interesting stories. Qualification is just having standards....which gets you further from the creepy guy just trying to fuck. And it's a good mindset to have anyway to at least pretend to be interested in her in more than her looks. Sure, many of the lines can come off weird, but it's fluid so you can adjust. Anyone starting is going to come off as weird regardless, but at least MM tells the guy to change what he is doing instead of hammering the same stuff that is failing until it sticks.

I guess I like MM more than RSD, but that's not a great choice. It's like comparing cancer to AIDS.

It's been years since I read MM, but some of the primary things that I strongly recall are things like his strong emphasis on negs. An 8 needs 2-3 negs within the first two minutes. A 9 needs 3-4. A 10 needs 5. That way you can drop her opinion of herself, so she now views herself lower and on your low, sad level.
It's a pretty awful mindset on a whole host of fronts.

And there's the opinion opener. It's just odd. No normal person does this. It's vastly easier to open "indirect" by just saying hi or something about the environment. Wandering up to a girl and asking her how many oceans there are is not something any normal person does. Not even in the LA club scene, which is very different from any other I've been in.

There's also his concept of Fool's Mate. Meet a girl and hang out for 90 minutes and she seems DTF? Better get her number and put her in a cab, because fucking her is the worst thing you can do. Because it has to last 6 or 7 hours(I forget).

Then there's the peacocking. And the palm reading. And the fears of "supplication". And the A,C,M model. Here's what you do in A2. And then you do this in M1.
"WHAT ARE YOU DOING!!? That's for C3 not C1! OMG!!!"

Recall his DHVs are to activate magical "attraction switches" that a woman has in her brain. And when you tick off the "protector of loved ones" switch, it "creates attraction". Which is always what he's telling you to do. "Create attraction". Say things and this will make women attracted to you.
That's really the biggest issue with MM. The concept of "Creating attraction".

For every thing he gets right, like pre-selection, he gets at least 2 things wrong. Mystery's problem is that he tries to logically persuade a woman to want to have sex with you. MM if anything, makes more sense for trying to get a GF, than it does lays. Sexual attraction is not a logical process, and all MM offers, is almost entirely intellectual tips. How to make her think highly of you.

I say MM makes you weird, because most dudes who use MM, creep girls out. Just because someone can use it, and still seem normal, doesn't mean most guys do. Most of them are weird.

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Lol
What I remember about negs is Mystery saying "Her response to a neg should be laughter." It's teasing. As to getting her to view herself as low, that's not in there:
All of that is directly from MM book. A neg or tease, is just to show her you're not interested in her beauty. And let's be honest, for most guys, if they're going after girls out of their physical league, they need to convey that they're comfortable enough around 10's or 9's that they can be teasing. So I see the merit. What's in the book is a far cry from what has been bastardized about negs online.
Yes. I agree. Then again I don't advocate going out alone and hitting on girls at the bar, MM or not. No one goes out alone and just has stupid questions floating on in their head about a jealous gf, and by that note, no one goes out alone and just goes up to women. To me, the guy walking around asking opinion openers by himself is no less weird than the guy running direct openers at the bar by himself. That's why I advocate using opinion openers if you're out having friends. Because if you were out with friends having a good time and you were joking about oceans, it would be fine to ask the girl next to you what her opinion was to settle it.
Fool's mate just means it wasn't solid. I've heard this run from pussy stuff concerning the 7 hour rule, and again, it's more anti MM bastardization. It's said to play it slowly, so it's more likely she doesn't get remorse afterwards and you can fuck her consistently afterwards. It's not one night stand game; it's more having girls to consistently fuck game. Never was it advocated to run from a chick wanting to fuck, just that it's better to take it slow. Typically, the more time you spend with a chick, the more solid it is. Sure, you can fuck a chick in 10 mins and it can be solid. And you can spend 20 hrs with a chick and she is flaky. But on average, the more time you spend is a better thing. This 7 hr rule is just about that fact.
This is one page in MM. To quote: Try wearing at least one item that is cool and attention-getting. I have no idea where this became the joke about furs and boas it is today. Oh yes I do. The other marketers who decided to differntiate by over emphasizing everything in MM. To quote again:
This congruence is the critical point. A man with a top hat and a feather boa, with two women on his arms and surrounded by laughing friends, looks like the man. Everyone in the room will notice him and women will whisper to one another that they want to be introduced to him. But the same man sitting by himself in the corner could end up looking like a social reject.

So if you're walking into a bar in hat and boa by yourself, you're not doing it correctly or listening to the advice given.
There's one palm reading routine, out of many routines. Again, these arent really major concepts in MM. Excuses to get a girl alone, and touch. Lol, in fact badboy does palm reading and advocated it as well. Many guys are afraid of touching, routines like this just give them a reason to. And they're not pretending to be some psychic; ALOT of the weird stuff is played like you're just messing / flirting with them.
To quote Mystery, "most of the game is played in comfort." Attraction is quick and the rest is just getting to know each other. I HAVE noticed many MM guys get too fixated on the giggles and laughs ie get stuck in creating attraction when they should escalate, but that's not what Mystery promoted and is the opposite of what the book says. In fact, the WORDS arent really important according to Mystery himself. To parapharse him, the words and routines are just excuses to display the important subcommunications such as delivery, body language, eye contact.

I'm not even a MM guy, but I can see the major merits in it. It's just that instead of following the advice given, many guys take the stuff and go crazy. They dont look at the feedback or reactions they get. They create their own negs which are just lame insults. They wear a boa. They focus on the words and routines and get stuck in the attraction stuff. But these are all things that the book is AGAINST doing. You should take an opener, use it for a while and guage the responses. If they're bad, change it until it works. You do the cheesy palm reading so you get used to isolating girls and touching. After you're accustomed to this, you're more comfortable just pulling a girl from the group and touching her. You use the stupid kiss routines so you have an excuse to kiss her. Most of the stuff is just safe training wheels for guys to see what works for them so they can just do their own thing after a while. If you do MM and it comes off as weird after a month or 2, that's on you. Because you arent taking the feedback given. If you're asking girls in a college bar about spells at set 20, you're not following MM.

It is in my version That's how I've always remembered negs, exactly as Mystery defined them. I remember, because that sentence was the one that juuuust about made me stop reading. And it was the moment I decided this dude was definitely not cool.

He also said something like "Prettier girls are initially bitchier" which is part of his "bitch shield" theory. I've never found that to be remotely true. The reason he thinks this, is because he's hitting on girls way out of his league. Thus a girl who is a 6 is more likely to be attracted to weird dude who's 6'5" in the fuzzy hat than the 9, who has a lot of good options. She's not attracted, wants him to leave, and here he is hanging around. Thus, he needs to break through a "bitch shield"(her getting irritated at his social incompetence and inability to read her lack of sexual interest in him).

The book is just filled with things that tell me Mystery does not understand women - at all. I get the sense that he's never had a female friend, or even a girlfriend that he's truly understood.
No, it's something Mystery himself, did. Sinn has told several stories where Mystery would tell him that he had a "Fool's Mate", because he moved too fast on the girl. One story consists of Mystery literally taking a girl to his apartment, with her naked on his bed, and Mystery is trying to show her pictures and tell her stories, because "It's only been 4 hours".
Herbal backs the stories up. He said he's the one who finally convinced Mystery otherwise, around 2009(several years after MM). Specifically after Herbal met one of Mystery's exes and banged her within an hour.
Well, I said Badboy is retarded. I was actually shocked by how good this article was, as almost everything I've seen from him, is mind meltingly stupid. But he is right about going out, away from your home town if you're wanting to do a lot of cold approaches.
I don't recall Mystery ever talking about subcumminacation. If he did, he mentioned it in passing. The only thing I recall him mentioning were a few over-the-top IOIs like playing with her hair. I think he did talk about tonality. But I never saw him talking about the things that truly matter.
Well, if so many guys misinterpret Mystery Method, I think at a minimum it's poorly written. If 9/10 people who read your book, read it in a way you didn't intend, the problem is not the receiver, it's the sender.
Considering Mystery himself did this, I don't see how this can be true. I didn't see anything in there about "this is only to be used for a few weeks". I do recall him saying to create your own routine stack. But that's still focusing on the wrong stuff.

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Didnt see this in my version. The Venusian arts handbook. I believe this is the second version of MM so maybe it's missing this. Will have to check. I once saw an interview with Lovedrop who wrote the VAH saying that Mystery was bad at explaining his concepts so maybe the original version has stuff closer to what you describe.

I dont see how this is the same as bringing someone down to your low sad level though. Can you clarify why even if negs are to make her think less of herself, is a bad thing or says something about your self esteem? I just dont read it that way so maybe you can clarify
True. But that's what I think is the basis of MM. You're hitting on the really hot girls. The 9's and 10's. You're going after the girls at the bar every guy wants. You're not shooting for 1-2 points about your looks level. I know you've written how it's almost impossible for guys to consistently game 1-2 points above their looks level and I agree. With direct, natural stuff. I dont believe a guy who is a 6, is gonna pull the hottest girl in the bar, or be able to consistently with Hi and sexual stuff. That's what I taught you meant by that. So the purpose of MM, as I've seen it, was to compensate. To be more interesting, more preselected, more socially proofed than a 6 if you were a 6. That the tactics, and intrigue is used to secretly get her to chase you, something that even good natural game wouldnt be able to do. When I first read MM, I was 19, and I just did simple stuff and got laid. But I'd be stuck with women out of my league, older chicks (around 25). But when I tried out routines and stuff like the cube, I found that I was hooking up with women who before my natural game wasn't getting me. I remember doing all the magic, cold read shit and seeing the women who brushed me off for being younger, get more interested and dtf. And whenever I see a guy in game get a woman who is really out of his league, it's been through using the intrigue based stuff.

It's a different type of game than just "being yourself." Sure, most likely you're being fake or inauthentic, but that's up to you if you would rather be real and be limited or be fake and get out of your league. You open indirectly and tease so you dont get rejected and can assess the "set." You pawn girls, use social proof to appear cooler than you really are. Can a 6 get a 9 with Hi and some good conversation? But if the same 6 gets some 7's and 8's into him, or at least appearing into him while he's saying some bs story, the 6 is in a better place to approach that 9.
Yeah, he's probably nuts, but it's not what he stated in my book at least. I've never seen anything that said if the chick is DTF dont take it.
I think this may be a version thing. Lovedrop added a lot of stuff to the teaching, because Mystery was bad at it. Sub communication was emphasised heavily. And tonality. Tbh, I dont think I've ever seen a PU company emphasize it as much as they did. I think LD was better at explaining the non routine stuff which Mystery brushed past. Yes, Mystery by himself teaches like a robot. But the stuff after VAH was much more grounded. LD had several audio tracks just talking about sub communications and vibing.
Correct. The dude is pretty weird sounding and I have no doubt that if you read the original MM it comes off like that. Check out the additional stuff. If you're reading just the 1st book, you're missing out on alot of good stuff.
I gotta disagree here. Even Mystery admitted, that how he gamed specifically was due to his persona as a magician, tall skinny guy who liked goth stuff and the fact that his 10's were girls into that stuff. So would he be talking about spells at a college bar? If he were even to game at a simple college bar, yeah, maybe so...but that suits his persona. What MM is a model. Open, attract, qualify, comfort, seduce. It was never suited for high energy clubs...more lounges and bars. I know guys who follow the model, and use routines that are more suited to them. No spells stuff. No magic. This is a rushed reply but hope I responded well.

lmao

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Sure, the way I see it, if you feel like you need to tear a girl's self esteem down, in order for her to be on your level, you can't think much of yourself. I don't generally see emotionally healthy people engage in that sort of behavior.
This establishes the following as I read it
1. She's too good for me
2. I'll make her feel worse about herself
3. Maybe after that, she'll be tricked into thinking she's on my level

Yes. But does that actually compensate? I don't think it does. It's entirely missing the point. "Negging" through her "bitch shield" isn't going to get you any closer to sleeping with her. If she has this "bitch shield" it's because she's already not into you. If the other things that may help(like social status and pre-selection) hasn't resulted in no "bitch shield", negging sure as hell won't.
Mystery describes her blatant outward hostility to you as an obstacle to overcome.
Let me ask you, since you've maybe gone about this differently than me. Have you ever had a girl be aggressively dismissive of you, and you turn that around?
I have seen it happen. Once. In my whole life.
I just don't like teaching things that basically never work.
And those parts, I can agree with. They can help. As I said, he gets some things right. It's just that so much is wrong, I can't suggest anyone follow it. I was able to read MM and learn several highly useful things. Most guys take all or most of it, and that's usually disastrous.
I've always done cold reads, but I'm wondering if the reason the intrigue based stuff worked for you, was because up until that point you were trying to have logical conversations? I can see how routines made to stimulate emotions could then be more effective. Certainly when she has a better time and feels connected to you, your results will go up. If routines can get you there, then they'd be effective.

Yes, I'd agree with this. Even to the point where I would say that I expect a 6 could probably be sure of netting at least a few 9s per year by doing this(bad ROI IMO, but besides the point). But you're highlighting the good parts, that most guys seem to ignore. I will agree, Mystery actually does stress social proof a lot. But I don't see most MM users doing a lot of that.
I can't say, as I read MM when it was basically hot of the presses. So long ago I actually owned a physical book. It does sound like it changed a lot. My version is only 219 pages, including a very long appendix.

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K, so I just found the new one you're talking about. Dowah? My old version literally mocks going to the gym. Ok, so it actually sounds like the MM coaches saw most of the same problems with MM that I did, and specifically added sections to fix all of those problems.

I wonder how many guys doing MM, are reading original MM(like I did) and how many are reading VA MM? Because the VA MM, seems vastly better than the weird stuff I read. I'm now genuinely curious which one is mostly read by people. Because I'm suspecting that this newer version would not produce the same results as the one I read all those years ago.
I'm going to try to actually read this thing in the next few days.

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See, I don't know...maybe I'm different, but I never attached any self esteem stuff to game. I don't subscribe to the "you deserve a 10" mentality or "you're already enough." Because in most cases, how good you feel about yourself doesn't equal results. I think of it like this. If you're an average guy, the hot girl at the bar in the hot dress (let's say a 9) is gonna think that you're below her if you approach straightforward. PU makes it sound like guys have it so lucky, because if you believe in yourself so much, a 9 is gonna pick up and fall into your frame or some bs. You know the stuff..."Luckily for us men...looks dont matter!" "Luckily for us men...money doesn't matter." "Luckily...dick size doesnt matter!" Lol. Its like men have all these lucky breaks when it comes to getting hot women.

The way I see it, is it's more or less a fact, that you being yourself, if your'e a 6, is not gonna be enough. I dont see it as a self esteem thing, because I just view it as a fact. I actually find it more liberating if I were a 6, to know that ok, hot chicks aren't gonna be attracted to just me, but i can do things to actually get somewhere.
Only seen it once as well. From an MM guy. But I don't advocate plowing.
A friend once told me a good point on routines. To paraphrase, he said "I dont use routines for my confidence, I use them for her. If I approach a girl and try to get to know her, depending on a lot of factors it can fall flat and ruin a girl who may have been into you or a "yellow" light.But if open with some bs about a jealous gf, it lets a girl give her insight on an external situation and show me a side of herself that wouldve taken longer to get out. When I ask about the jealous gf, it's easier for her to be sassy, to be playful off the bat because it's not about her.So I give her something external to shake her up then I bring it back to her and make it personal and get to know her."
Yeah, most dont really think about social proof anymore. Most of the other stuff, let's be honest, doesnt really care about social proof. You approach, if you get rejected...well...again..lucky for you girls dont notice. But yes, they do notice you getting blown out 5 times before approaching them. Even if they register you approaching and then 5 mins approaching them, they feel that you were shot down. The good ROI I see for MM, is that by approaching indirectly, less rejection and girls actually register that oh, he's speaking to this group of girls, they're laughing...he must be at least an ok guy. So the ROI comes from preserving at the least, or enhancing your social proof/value. If one night I AM playing around, I may open a group of girls with a stupid opinion opener, get some laughs, introduce myself and move on on a high note. So I'm meeting a lot of people. A smile is on my face. Girls assume, wow, he's not hitting on these girls but they're enjoying him and he's walking off. So I can go direct on the girls I want and have a bit more social proof than if I did with nothing. Now, I also advocate going out with friends and having a good time and doing approaches that way as well. Both ways add something to your "value" before you approach.
I have the old book as well but because I had the VAH first I just assumed it was the same. Granted it's still kind weird but most stuff is in there - social proof, smiling, subcommunciations, tonality, body language, taking feedback, being directly sexual,escalation, having fun. Maybe you're right that most are reading the original, which as far as I know is straight from Mystery. As it progressed, there were other guys like Matador and Lovedrop with different styles who included their insights. For example, Mystery has the old think of a number between 1-10 thing that plays like a psychic thing. Matador taught it as a more sexual routine, where you'd use eye contact and hold the girls hands. LD taught is a I'm fucking around with you routine. One way gets the girl to think maybe you're psychic, the other gets her touching you and looking into your eyes and the other way gets a laugh and you move on. Same words, just they showed how there are different styles, other than Mystery that could fit into the model.