| This was posted on another similar forum, but I thought I'd post it here, as the poster raises a very relevant point, for something not taught that well in pickup, although I definitely acknowledge it requires quite advanced skills and isn't suited to any newcomer to pickup. What the guy below is saying, is in regards to women aged 33 and over, who DON'T class themselves as a cougar, or anything similar.
- Several times over the past several years, I've put forth the following challenge: Please show me a specific, step-by-step system that follows these parameters:
1. A system that's repeatable and reliable for men over 35 to have sex with women over 33.
2. Sex must happen within 4 hours of face time grand total. These 4 hours can be spread over as many dates as you like, but should not go over 4 hours total (or close to it).
3. Staying up in the evening past about 11 pm shouldn't be required. (Men over 35 usually have jobs, children and/or other responsibilities the next morning.)
4. The grand total cost from meet to lay shouldn't exceed more than the cost of 2-3 drinks, plus transportation to 2 dates. Not including transportation costs, this is around $30 in most cities at the most, maybe a little more for more expensive cities.
5. Again the system must be reliable and repeatable. If you fuck an over 33 woman every once and a while, that's not a system. Your system must also be specific and step-by-step, just like my own system. You should also be able to specifically tell me exactly what you do, step-by-step. General statements about how you 'can't be sexual too soon', 'just be outcome independent and escalate hard' or whatever
aren't helpful.
The reason for the above parameters, is because many of us including myself, reliably and repeatedly have sex with women under 33 with those above 5 parameters all the time. There's many older guys reading these forums who'd like to also have sex with women over 33, if we didn't have to wait more than 4 hours or so, OR pay out a bunch of money just to get laid.
If anyone can show me a system that adheres to all five parameters above, I'll attempt your system and if it works, I'll sing your praises here and on my blog to thousands of readers.
I personally don't think this can happen, since with the thousands of experienced PUA posters on this forum and other forums like it all over the internet, I've never seen anyone lay out such a system. This tells me it probably isn't possible within the 5 parameters as stated above, but I'm willing to listen.
Two Possible Examples.
For the first time ever, 2 guys have actually provided some specifics on how they lay over-33 women regularly. Granted, both of them fully admit they're not following my parameters exactly. They admit they often spend around $100 or more, plus 4-8 hours of face time in order to get to sex, plus they have to put up with a lot of shit testing.
Regardless, I think it'd be fun to examine both of their techniques (and those of others) to see if we can find some common ground between what I do (super fast, near-zero cost lays with under 33s) to what they do (slower lays with a little more money spent with over 33s).
Guy 1's system, is he meets women at business breakfasts or events, has breakfast with them, then buys them dinner as a day 2, then escalates to sex after dinner.
Guy 2's method here is similar. Both of them stress the importance of putting up with shit testing and LMR.
Shit tests and buying dinners aren't my favorite thing, nor part of my system, but again I'm trying to be flexible and learn here. In an effort to get everything into a very specific bullet-point system, my interpretations of Guy 1' system is the following:
1. Pre-plan logisitcs for insta-date.
2. Meet women in non-sexual business environments, such as networking breakfasts, seminars, community board meetings, etc.
2. Pitch a bounce to breakfast (or lunch?) and expect a lot of shit testing when you do.
3. Have breakfast (or lunch?) and run outcome independent game as usual. Put up with shit testing in non-reactive way. Do not bring up a day2. No kino or sexual stuff.
4. Later, pitch day 2 dinner date over telephone call or worst case, email. Call in early afternoon and pitch dinner for that night.
5. Have dinner date 10 minutes from your home and pre-plan logistics to get her home after dinner.
6. Pay for dinner. Light kino, sex talk, relationship talk. Have a long dinner, like 2-3 hours.
7. Bounce her to your place and have sex.
Guy 2's system:
1. 2 hour first meet. No kino, no sexual stuff. Never meet at her home.
2. Pitch meet at your place for a drink or home cooked meal. Hard next if she balks.
3. At your place, talk for another 2-3 hours. Then sexually escalate very hard. You might get laid, you might not.
4. If not, do another meet, again at your place, and repeat step 3 above. If she still doesn’t have sex, hard next.
Anyone else is also welcome to contribute but please, for the love of god, please do not:
- Make any general sweeping statements about how it's easy to fuck over-33s if you just do the right things, without specifically stating exactly what those things are or giving any other specific information. So what if you're a seduction badass and I don't know what I'm doing. Got it.
- Make any general statements about how 'that's not been your experience with older women', or how 'not all older women are like that'. Yeah, it's just the women I meet, the women you meet are prefect. Got it.
- Make any general statements about how 'yeah they're like that, but so what?'
Yeah, you dislike younger women, like spending money on chicks and enjoy fighting ASD. Got it.
- Make any general statements about how you don't mind spending money, or waiting longer than 4 hours to fuck new women. Yeah, you like spending money on chicks and don't mind dates with zero sex. Got it.
I really don't want to debate in this thread; do that in some other thread please. In this thread I just want specific field-tested answers and techniques.
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