After going out for ages I begun to realise that no matter if you use group theory the guys can still blow you out blatantly and get away with it. Even if you try and stimulate the group I now realise that a lot of guys can just tell you to piss off. And the girls will let it happen. This is because of something I have named long-term comfort. The set you approach had already established It's hierarchy and alphas. It doesn't matter if you among. Sometimes the guys can just blow you out. Plus the girls will let it happen since the guys are alpha and if you haven't had the chance to stimulate the group then you won't be able to make it work

At the moment I have been simply working on this to construct theories with my wings yet as we understand it. Pre-selection and approaching the set with your own girls immediately stimulates the girls and turns you alpha.
We are studying what else works

Finally I have come up with a high class game routine (not for newbies) which I will be posting later next week called fisherman theory which ultimately utilises pre selection and trumps ltc.

However it is very high standard and takes a long time to understand and apply thus I will post it separately.

Please feel free to add anything you know relevant to a topic such as this

Thanks. End ever

Long Term Comfort is a good name for it, mind if I use it?

LTC, as you put it, is why we befriend men first. Frankly, no matter how good you are at tooling and AMOG theory, if a guy is the brother, or one of the girls Boyfriends, you can't break up the strong relationship and comfort that have without previous information on the group, and manipulating the situation to your advantage.

I tend to find with a good amount of field sense and experience you can tell which guy you need to win over and supplicate too. Some PUA's call this Social Circle Game where you can have more than one Alpha in a group, and as long as you establish him and yourself as an Alpha, you can both tool and run the group.

I normally find these Natural Alpha's who have LTC do not attempt to run the group, but the group supplicates to him.

The harder part is another form of Alpha who the group rotates around when he turns it on, think a PUA or a guy who is a super extrovert but is talking to a girl or having a one on one, if you step on his territory he can tool you out before you know it. He can simply have a lot more group compliance than you will off the open, and this guy will stop you before you get to Qualification and stop you before a girl gets invested into you.

I find with this latter type, you still try normal Group Theory and win him over, and if not go for a mini - isolation and just number close, even if flaky. It builds a little investment. Then re-open later with another set, mixed, all girls, or what ever, by merging. It adds Value and gives the guy too much stimuli to control.

The worst mistake is waiting for the guy to get distracted or to leave. I notice in these situations you instantly shut yourself down as he knows what you are doing. If you have enough field sense to handle that interrupt it can be good, but it is not a very teachable skill. Its one you gain by experience.

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All mental masturbation....

If a girl is with her guy friends...

Ask the simple, age old question "So, how do you all know each other?" and figure out what the relationship between them is....

You don't have to "befriend" the guys and sit there talking to them all night... Shit, if you do that, the girl will run away from the group, leave you with them, and she will get taken away by some other guy...

ALL YOU HAVE TO DO is show the guy friends that you are a cool, normal guy and move her the fuck away from them as fast as you possibly can. Don't waste time talking to guys.

Unless they are super close (meaning the guy goes all "white knight" on you) then fuck it. Don't waste your time. Get her phone number if you want and hit her up when the cock block isn't around.

Thanks guys for the awesome feed back. I've been lulling this over and have gone out just to defeat this and have come up with an advanced method of game which I call fisherman theory. I have decided not to post on this forum just yet. Feel free to use the name as long as you don't say it's yours. If you want to learn fisherman theory message me privately thank you