First time i've had this with an older woman and struck out. She wasn't even that much older than me(6-7year gap).

The other night I was at a club talking to a woman(About an 8 ). She thought I was younger than I was(21-22) but we talked, got along well and she constantly sought me out. I would leave her and give her space and bump into her later on in the night. She would grab me as I walked past, her eyes would light up and her entire body language would turn to face me and be completely open. It was clear that this woman was into me, so much so her friends and my friends were saying she was totally into me. It was blindingly obvious I had this chick hooked.

We talk for a bit, have fun, laugh, she gives me things, we share drinks, etc., etc. so I go for it. I do my usually [phaseshift] "You know, you're really cute." *She shies away and blushes* then I get closer and tell her to kiss me as I go in to kiss her. She looks at me with a shy smile and says "I don't do that anymore." I'm caught off guard, look at her and say "You don't do this anymore?" and give her a smile. She gets nervous and says she just got out of an LTR then gets emotional... I give her a hug, calm her down and start talking to her, changing the subject. She's engaged in the conversation, really excited to talk to me and lots of kino going on between us. I test the waters for a kiss and no dice. She continues engaging with me, the night comes to a close and women start converging on me and her trying to chat me up. HB8 gets annoyed, walks out of the group to the side and crosses her arms looking around to the corner of me and directly ahead of another chick chatting to me. The newcomer takes the hint says "I think i'm annoying your date." I look at her, smile and then she says "You should go talk to her, she looks upset." So I say bye to the girl and go back to the girl I tried to kiss(HB8).

Talking to her, she tells me all sorts, asks about me, my interests, hobbies and insists I tell her about my projects saying she really wants to read up on them. Her eyes are glazed over, impressed by some of the tidbits I have pictures of. Then another group interrupts us, I turn to them, greet them openly and have fun. We're all laughing and stuff then the girl turns around and says she needs to find her friends I look at her and say "Alright." She waits and asks me to come with her so I say yeah "Let me finish my pint first." and go with her. She can't find her friends and asks me to walk her to a taxi. We walk, we stop, we talk and she basically squares up to me with open body language. I go to kiss her again and get nothing. So I say fuck it, hail a taxi for her, walk her to the door and say goodbye.

I'm of two minds on this. I think I fucked up and should have been more forward and assertive but I also think she had a huge stigma regarding the age gap and she wasn't prepared for a ONS so soon after her LTR. Two things going against me here: Her recently finished LTR and the age gap. But I feel she was looking for that "push" to spend the night with me.

Another weird thing that caught me off was her asking if I had a girlfriend AFTER I tried to k-close but not simply asking... it was as if she wanted to confirm her suspicions that I had a girlfriend and I was going to cheat on her with this HB8.

Anyway, before she left I got her info and stuff.

Thoughts? I guess this girl just needed a bit of a push?

always make a joke out of it. I was recently in a situation where i found out the girl was older than me by a few years....and the look on her face....she was clearly bothered by it.

i said, oh I'm 24 but im very mature , not right now but at work im definatly 27, people think im 27 all the time.
then later after hooking up she jumped on a swing and so did i, i looked at her and said , your the oldest so you push me first.

in alot of situations i find not making a deal of it and making a joke elps them reason for it.

it works on many levels.

i met a really beautiful girl, and i ended up agrreeing to give her a lift home, she asked what car i had. instead of sayiong its a piece of shit worth $500, i told her its a new hybrid farrari/hummer, i went into explaining how the company recently murged and are bringing out hybrid models. then she was looking for it, we rock up to my car and she just cracks up laughing, she had the biggest grin on her face. then i said okay okay so its not much to look at but i have a great sound system, we get in and i turn the fan heater on, and go, see how good is it.

I don't know what this is worth, I have no game, don't do any of this pick up stuff (yet!). But both the relationships I've been in have been with older women, the first was a 9 year age gap, the second more like 12. Anyway, like I say I didn't game either of them, so was just honest with both (probably what pua's would call beta), both appreciated the fact that I listened to them, understood them, didn't judge them and was genuinely interested in finding out about them rather than just (can't think how else to put it) bigging myself up with game and routines.

To translate all that into pua, I'd say it sounds like she needed a lot more comfort with you, bouncing around the room when she's already into you is probably what put her off. Just my opinion not based on game knowledge.

Ah... I don't know. I'm annoyed by this week. I guess i've hit a slump. :/

To me when she said "I don't do this anymore" struck a familiar chord in me. A girl who says this is usually the opposite, and would do it but it requires solid game. Persistence and more kino escalation is what I would have done. She seems to have see you as boyfriend material and that's why she withheld kissing and possibly sex if it would have got there. Figure out what you said or did that presented yourself as boyfriend material and avoid it next time (best way to learn). Did you number close?

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I don't believe the whole "Boyfriend material" bit is accurate here. I believe you are right when it comes to persistence essentially and "solid game." I let slip in not being persistent or being tighter in my game. It was clear she wanted something to happen in the fact that she hung around after I made a move and requested I go with her to take her to a taxi then stop and wait, staring at me as if waiting for something to happen between us. To further solidify this belief her message of "Guys like you restore my faith in men" after I hailed her a taxi and she got home safe only says she genuinely wanted me to take advantage of her, could have but didn't... as if I made that choice for us prompting her message to me. i.e. It was all up to me: I just had to take it.

I'll know for next time however. I did get her details and I have sent her a few messages. She's flirted a small bit back and forth with me but nothing too out of the ordinary or full on. In return i've joked with her and negged her to a small degree on one occasion. I'll probably get her to meet up one of the nights and seal the deal there and then. All it should take is a bit more comfort, kino and i'm in.

One important point about "age gaps" is that their absolute age is just as (if not more) important than the age gap. In other words, Gaming a 36 year old woman has more to do with how you game a woman who is 36 as opposed to how you game a woman who is X years older than you.

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That actually makes a lot of sense. I think my closing was what really put her off. Until that point I guess you could say I was gaming her around her age as opposed to simply gaming her due to being 6-7 years older. I guess the close was too "young" for her and too upfront and specific.

There is a possibility that her LTR isn't completely over with. I've had this happen with girls where they were still talking to their supposed ex, and felt guilty about kissing or doing anything else with another guy. Her body wanted to do one thing, but her mind told her to do something else.