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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2014 11:42 am 
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Hello my fellow PUAs. The reason why I opened this thread is because what I'm seeing is people are taking this PUA thing way too seriously. It's okay to buy material, or get coaching. It's fine, you want to get this part of your life fixed, and you are willing to put your money and your time on it. That's great. But... some threads, especially here in the longue are a bit too much.

I couldn't find it, but I remember the other day I found something where people were discussing "What kind of jobs are alpha" and that you should avoid "beta jobs". And this really pisses me off.

First of all, it is pretty obvious that the most attractive jobs are: professional pick-up guru, authorities, and the jobs which allows lots of travelling.

But even more importantly, it is outright ignorant to make your choice of profession depending on how it would help you getting laid. Such a life decision should be based on strong inner motivation. Else you're going to hate your own life and you won't get laid, not even with an MD in front of your name.

Besides that, you can have a job that's not too exciting for other people and still pull a lot. For example my friend's dad is about in his 50s. He is an informatician/mathematician and a natural. He pulls so many women that most guys here would be ashamed that "the geeky guy" has 100 times better game than them.

And it's not just jobs... I see it everywhere. Stupid questions everywhere...

"Does a tattoo improve my badass factor?"
"Suit or gangsta?"
"Is scuba diving/wall climbing/whatever else as a hobby a DHV?"

The list goes on... And now I get to the main point, and in the end there is one thing that I think is important to note because it comes with the mindset, but it is a relatively different thing.

And the point is, the mindset is wrong.

It's not specific things in your life that you should try achieving to improve your chances. You should focus on what you like doing and improve yourself in those areas, because that's what can make you happy. This will also result in that you meet girls with similar interests as you, vastly improving the chances of building a connection. When gurus tell you to improve your life, they don't mean that you should change your interests, or taste in things. That's just stupid. What they mean is to find the lifestyle that fits you and unleashes your full potential. Usually, a happy man is a confident one.

And now that other things...

It is rating women. I found it to be counterproductive for me to rate women because once a woman hit high on the scale(9 or 10), subconciously she used to be already on a pedestal. Now I understand that for some people this may not be an issue, hell nowadays it probably wouldn't matter much to me either... But it's still a risk. And this is not even the biggest problem. The problem is, that some guys have this delusion from the Mystery Method, that you should game extremely hot women differently than avarage or ugly girls. And this is just ridiculous. There is no theory behind this. Absolutely none. While I agree with Mystery on many points, this is one of the few where I don't. Because it's clear that Mystery made up some bullshit that the hot girls get hit on a lot so they have a higher self-esteem, so they require different approach, but anyone who's ever met a real hot girl knows that they are just as insecure as every other girl. Also, the avarage girls get hit on a lot more because guys don't fear them so much. Hot girls might get whistles and wolf shouts more but I wouldn't consider that "hitting on". And not to mention, this entire rating thing is completely subjective.
Another thing is that to some extent you game all women the same way, and to more extents you game all of them differently. This is completely irrelevant to her looks, this is all about calibration.

In conclusion: rating girls isn't helpful in any way, moreover it has its risks, especially for the beginners.

Now all of these problems have one source:

Taking this way too seriously

This is the reason. It's one thing to focus on pick-up, and another thing is to put everything(including common sense) away. Lots of people here need to chill the fuck out. Put their books/videos/other material away. Stop completing the newbie mission for the 6th time in a row, stop thinking about what DHVs and what DLVs, and start LIVING. Stop looking at women like some robots on what if the correct buttons are pushed, her legs will open, and start appreciating them as HUMAN BEINGS. They are just like us in many sense. They have hopes in life, they have goals, they have different taste in men, they have their insecurities, etc...

If I opened only one eye, this thread wasn't useless. I also expect other experienced members to share their views and thoughts on this.

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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2014 11:56 am 
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100% agree.

I really think getting into PUA at a young age can totally fuck you up. You can't even talk about going in vacation without Googling "where is the easiest place in the world to get laid" and every picture you take on a night out would make a great POF picture.

The thing I have taken away from pickup is...

Learn not what to do
How to not be needy
How to approach
How to escalate

All these things ^ I learned for why I'm quite satisfied with my love life...

But these days i'm a little anti PUA now, focusing on my career. Health, happiness....Meeting women organically and not treating it like a full time job and crying every time a girl flakes'...

Totally agree with your post. Kudos. We are on the same wave length.

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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 3:58 am 
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By the way the ideas are presented and points well arranged, Instinct has certainly made a decent enough intellectual effort on this thread.

Unfortunately, this forum is NOT only a melting pot of races and cultures, it is a meld of different personalities and childhood experiences as well that somehow affect how men behave as adults. We have to embrace this diversity that some guys are naturally passionate at learning new things while on the other hand, some guys are playful.

We also have different motivations. Some may have a primal need for sex. Others have a need for social identity. Some need recognition to the point that some old time posters created lots of sockpuppet accounts to praise their own threads or posts to make it appear that other guys find them full of wisdom and in the process, bandwagon others to praise even their idiotic posts as well (they do have posts that make sense but it's just plain ridiculous to be praising their stupidity or naivety). Some need love maybe because they were deprived of care and affection as a kid. A few want self actualization in the Maslowian hierarchy of needs and for one reason or another, that's just the way it is.

Many guys who ask for help at the relationship section are depressed or stressed. At the inner game section, I see guys who have suicidal tendencies. It's hard for these guys coming in this forum chill.

Somehow, for those of us who have patience, we'll have to help them and guide them to the path that life is fun and worth living. Eventually, we'll be able to help these guys chill out and in the process, become more attractive to women.

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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 10:59 am 
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You're spot on Hellhound. That's something I didn't go into details in this post. But ultimately it is connected to the points I'm trying to make.

The reason is, the more serious one takes it, the more stressful it will become for him to improve. If guys started playing this game as a game, then they wouldn't be so upset about a blowout. They wouldn't have so much AA. They would realize that "THE ONE" doesn't exist, rather there is a group of women called "relationship material", and that this group is different for everyone both quality and quantity wise. And I could go on with this list. I think taking it less seriously can only be beneficial, that's why I created this thread. As I've said, if I can only make one guy think about it and get him the Eureka moment, it was already worth it. Of course I'm not saying to stop getting into PUA, because saying PUA is unhelpful would be a lie. But as everything else in life, it needs to be taken with moderation, else it's only going to fuck things up further.

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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 11:22 am 
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I think for a lot of people pick up becomes just another sport. I scuba dive (is it DHV? :D ) and you see exactly the same thing especially on forums. You get one group that are into it as a lifestyle and the other group who are into it as a sport. The latter group get where they are by buying stuff. Changing your job because you think it might get you laid, getting a tattoo you don't care about (I'm into tattoos and "fashion" tattoos really piss me off, especially as they are usually shit), etc is the equivalent of that.

I got into pick-up late 20's, had a few good years, got into an 8 year relationship and totally forgot about it, came out that relationship and had to start over. Maybe because I'm older now that the inner game stuff has become more important to me. Having a big relationship end makes you really evaluate where you are. Pick up has become a secondary benefit in what has been a bigger masterplan.

I was talking about this to someone I went sarging with. I said my attitude now was that I'd rather have sex a thousand times with one person than fuck a thousand women once. I think it's probably an age thing.

I've done plenty of one night stands back when the Layguide was the best technology available and I totally understand the whole learning new tricks attitude. If you aren't looking beyond a couple of weeks then whether your lifestyle is real or superficial is totally irrelevant. If it brings advantage then fine, I don't have a problem with it. It's just not me though.


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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 6:15 pm 
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I'm glad this was the first thread I read coming back to this forum. Good post.

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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 6:53 pm 
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There needs to be humor and FUN in this or otherwise what the fuck is the point?

Dipping my dick in a new girl, is FUN to me, not a sport, not a job, not a chore like taking out the garbage.

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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2014 4:10 am 
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You need to be somewhat serious about it. Some people who get into the game don't care much about it and do like 1-2 approaches like every 2 weeks and complain how they are not getting better. This is supposed to be just like basketball; its fun but you are not just in it because its fun; you want to win and achieve some level of success.


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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2014 8:13 pm 
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Hey man, of course if you want to get better you need to put in some work, but it's far more important to have fun. If it is not fun, then all the hard work just doesn't seem to pay off and it's very detrimental both state and improvement wise.

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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2014 9:53 pm 
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I think this forum attracts some really geeky people who like to appear elite. It's like the guys who go on lifting forums and don't get bigger/stronger but post 5 times a day.

I honestly don't know who to listen to on this forum because everyone's giving advice and has a link to their own website for coaching... You'd think a forum dedicated to getting better with women would be alright but I guess half the guys who are good don't go on forums and what you're left with is partly the geeky wannabes.

Anyone who would make such a big life decision based on what looks best to women is the opposite of an alpha male


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I think this forum attracts some really geeky people who like to appear elite. It's like the guys who go on lifting forums and don't get bigger/stronger but post 5 times a day.

I honestly don't know who to listen to on this forum because everyone's giving advice and has a link to their own website for coaching... You'd think a forum dedicated to getting better with women would be alright but I guess half the guys who are good don't go on forums and what you're left with is partly the geeky wannabes.

Anyone who would make such a big life decision based on what looks best to women is the opposite of an alpha male
This is a worthwhile point. Sometimes there are more gurus trying to sell a book posting here than there are guys looking for help.

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