So I got the slick idea to start sarging tanning salons two or three months ago..

Anyway I got this girls number one day and when I texted her a week later she acted like she had forgotten all about it and didn't know who I was.

I should have just not texted her again but I am a fan of persistence.

Anyway it just blew up and I shouldn't have let it happen but it did. She only became insulting when I texted her again and it just made me want to keep texting her so she wouldn't have her way. It was stupid, in no way would get me laid, and immature, but TBH I had taken somewhat of a break from pick up, my skills were a little rusty, and I wasn't knee deep in pussy at the time, so I was subject to human emotion and pettiness. I didn't do or say anything drastic, and this is going to sound really stupid but this is what happened and I am now being charged with harrassment and have court at the end of the month.

Basically she said "don't text me again" to which I immaturely mirrored her, and said "don't ever text me again" not thinking much about it. then she just kept at it like "ah OMG seriously! don't text me loser!" and I just said something stupid like or "you can lose my number" then went back to playing my gameboy.

she then told me should she was going to call the police if I kept it up. It was obvious she just wanted to have the last word, but honestly she deserved it.. I got her number in about 30 seconds so if she forgot me or decided she didn't want to engage then I should have respected that. But as it happened I had nothing better to do at the time then mess with her.. also I don't respond well to threats.

I wish I could tell you more but thats pretty much the gyst of it and all that I remember because it was really insignificant at the time, the only other thing is I think I called her like 3 or 4 weeks later not knowing it was her... I had her name saved in my phone and did not remember who she was so I did like a cold call on her to try and find out who she was, I was like "hi I was just deleting some old numbers in my phone and I came across yours and now I'm just trying to figure out who you are haha". whoever picked up said she was her sister, and I guess the actual girl was there with her. They engaged and were curious who I was too, but acted genuinely intrigued. Anyway I ended up getting off the phone realizing it was dumb and that was the last I spoke to her.

Then I lose my phone downtown about a month later in a drunken haze and I reported it lost to the police (as if they could do anything about it).. anyways I get a knock on my door by some cops and they told me they had information about my phone so I stepped outside my apartment to talk to them. In fact they didn't find my phone, but they had received a report of harassment from my phone number from this girl who worked in the tanning salon. I guess somehow they couldn't connect the number to me and she just had my first name, until this happened. So they asked me about what happened and I told them the truth because I felt I didn't do anything wrong, but I believe I actually ended up incriminating myself by talking to them.

Here's where I'm at. If I get charged with harassment whoopdeedoo, I am no stranger to police and getting in trouble with the law. But something the courts can't understand is the life of a player. I have spent 100s of hours in the field despite my pettiness and immaturity that I displayed in this interaction, and the thing is I'm not about to quit. So if I get charged, I can handle that, but then if I get charged again with harrassment, it could be a felony the second time, I would just look like some creep to the courts.

Going around talking to strangers all day, sometimes you run into weird situations and the truth is that the definition of harassment is simply "annoying someone", a charge that can't really be disputed. I'm worried about getting that second harassment charge down the line and wondering if it would even do me any good to have a lawyer after already telling the cops what happened.

A word to fellow PUAs - don't do the game dirty! Believe me I know this sounds petty but I was going through a weird place. I also got banned from an entire outdoor shopping mall around this time. Its another story, but its kind of related if the judge were to get wind of it. This is a long post I know...

Apparently six stores called security on me one day. I think it had to do with the jacket I was wearing and my general vibe that day) So I wasn't arrested, but too cops came and got me at the movie theater I had snuck into, not for sneaking in (or even mentioning that) but for creeping girls out in the mall (the movie theater was in the mall area) so they gave me a verbal that if I returned to the mall I would be trespassing and arrested. Because they gave me a verbal I assume it was not documented but looking back the actual police were called, not just security, so maybe it was documented and will come into play with this harassment case? If that were so I would look reallly bad. I guess to you all this does make me look really bad haha. I'm going through trying times and if you could believe it, these are the least of my problems right now.

Thank you to anyone who read this entire post, its jumbled perhaps but I'm too lazy to go back and spellcheck.

Keep your game sharp!

who are you the guy that goes around posting fail pictures? get off my thread idiot

Persistence = creepiest fucking shit on the planet.

The only time you should be persistent is when she is not showing signs of disinterest, but at the same time, not showing interest. In this case, you mix patience and persistence up in a pot and you got a good formula.

What you're doing... Persistence + Female's disinterest... that's full blown creeper status and will get you in trouble.

Just use your head bro. Use your common sense. Don't try to be "PUA Calibrated", but try to be a guy who perceives himself as a catch.

Did you mention that she did not remember you when you first texted her? That right there is a red flag and you should've next her. "Oh I think I may have the wrong number. Sorry." The reason being is because it's going to take a lot of time and effort to get anywhere with this girl. If you're a guy who perceives himself as a catch, you are not going to waste time with a chick who can't even remember you.

I also wouldn't have waited a week to contact her. That gave her more time to forget about you. There is no "building attraction" when you do that.

Oh and because you are got so much security called on you (lmao!) you are probably just approaching without getting her to notice you first. Look at a girl first and see if she looks back, if you can tell that she like what she sees then she's giving you the green light and your approach will be much easier.

the advice is for legal reasons from a pick up artists perspective. I am preparing for court, not seeking advice on how to better my game dude, you have no idea

why are people so fucking uptight these day, I dont get it. you cant walk up to a girl and talk to her without running the risk of being charged with a crime.
sorry about your situation man, the only advice I have is if you can, spend some cash and hire the best lawyer you can. dont talk to anyone other than your lawyer. If you have no cash, they will probably give you a public defender, public defenders are underpaid and overworked and they dont care what happens to you, so they will try to get you to admit to the charges and close your case, dont fall into that trap, try to push him/her to get the charges reduced or dropped. dont let him fuck you.
this is all assuming you are in the US

in summary, dont talk to anyone, and if you have the money, spend it on a good criminal defense lawyer and let them handle it.

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thanks yeah you are right about the public defenders they really don't care about you, that is good advice thanks. and I guess thats all I can do is just not talk to anyone else.

Not sure if you really need a badass lawyer. From what you've told us, it seems more like you two were just being immature about how you handled the situation. I think, as long as your lawyer can convey that message and that you have no intent on contacting her, you may be let off the hook. It's too bad you couldn't explain that to the police because they may have bought it and would have just let you off with a warning.

Just curious, how old are you?

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yeah I was just thinking anyone would be better than the public defender, I'm 27

This. Don't be a cheapskate when it comes to a good lawyer.

Paying for the services of a good lawyer is always money well spent.

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Here are my two essential rules on texting that will save you tons of time and money:

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You're doing it wrong.


Stop watching Simple Pick Up videos dude. If you're in a place like a hair salon trolling on people, I'd call the cops on your ass too.

And harassing girls via text message? Cmon man! Find something more productive to do with your time aside from texting girls who don't want to talk to you and playing your fucking game boy. You're 27 years old.

I'm not doing it wrong I had a temporary lapse in judgment, that day at the mall I could have killed myself, I was suicidal, but being a true pua I went out and "sarged' anyway, because thats what I'm about, its what I do. There are times I break the rules to the game because I could care less if I get laid that day and I really just feel like sticking it to society because I'm an outcast motorcycle riding rebel and you would get evaporated.

Go ahead show your character some more for everyone to see and attack me for being suicidal. You have no idea what your talking about, you probably do cocky funny and I'm guessing your half retarded from the things you said, maybe you get the sympathy factor too? I'm ice cold with the baddest bitches and check your post count I'm no video watcher punk

Uhhh

If your getting security called on you than you're doing it wrong

A temporary lapse in judgement is maybe trying an inappropriate joke which backfires, or trying to escalate too much too soon. It's not getting police called on you from 6 different shops and then pestering a girl for so many weeks that she eventually gets the police on you for harassment. That's not a temporary lapse, that's doing it extremely wrong, not even just a little bit wrong.

Two other points - which are probably more important for you at the moment than any discussion about your game;

1) If you were truly suicidal, go and spend your time with a counsellor or something. Get away from this messageboard and give game a miss for a while.

2) I would probably even delete this thread and be extremely careful about what you say regarding the incident on this website if you're up for charges regarding it. In fact, I'd be very careful about anything you say on this - or any other - messageboard at all regarding women in any sort of way until the whole thing has blown over.

I enjoyed your posts! It was very entertaining to see other people fail and get back on their feet! Now you have a story to tell your future grand children ^_^! Or a story when you become a PUA trainer/instructor :p ...

NONETHELESS ... when you get out of this mess you have orchestrated ... you will become a stronger man ^_^!

You have the potential ... you just got to tweak yourself for it to work!

Hahahahha!

Good luck dude!

Donston