The difference of guys that are were they want to be with women and puas...

This is a review of almost 2 years or 2 + years in the community of the difference i have seen on members, gurus, coaches, moderators etc... Everybody:

Guys that are were they want to be with women:
The guys that are were they want to be with women if he has a girlfriend, she is more invested in them than they are in them. Even if they are both in love.

The typical pua:

Makes a girlfriend the first girl he gets invested in. With time gets very needy and betazized and gets more invested in the girl than the girl is in him. Usually last 1-3 years in the relationships(on the high end, most don't make it a year)at the end gets burned.

Guys that are good with women:

Focus on screening and efficiency and do not waste a lot of time with girls that are not interested.

The typical pua:

Waste a lot of time selling women, even the ones that are into them, working on creating "attraction" , and is always trying to come up with the right words, methods, actions or routines to use on a particular girl to achieve his goal.

Guys that are good with women:

Are extremely physical and sexual, and are always escalating sexually (could be physically, verbally, vibe or subcommunication)... And they are trying to FUCK THE GIRLS FAST! Cause he knows fucking a girl fast is the highest form of investment and the best way to land a girlfriend)

The typical pua:

It is working on his attraction and displaying value, making a connection and being a smooth James Bond seducer.

Guys that are good with women:
Typically have multiple women that they are seeing, fucking, dating, or that want to see the dude, fuck him or date him. And if they are in the relationship, the girlfriend knows that are any time, the boyfriend can go out there and get her replace.

The typical pua:
It is trying to work on a strategy on the one girl. Even if they have other girls. I called this mild onitis.

Guys that are good with women:
They hit the gym, they work out, they dress nice and are always trying to get their looks to their max potential possible.

The typical pua:
Works more on improving his game, methods, techniques.

Guys are good with women:
Always try to push their boundaries with women, trying new shit LIVE.

The typical pua:
It is worry with books, psychology, science etc....

Guys that are good with women:
Do not worry about rejection, getting rejecting, losing hotties etc...

The typical pua:
Plays it safe and trying to minimize rejection with indirect stuff.

Guys that are good with Women:
Game total strangers.

The typical pua:
Game Social Circles, co-workers, friends exes, friends family members etc...

Guys that are good with women:
Are excellent at identifying and forcing approach invites, are good with body language, are very good at calibration.

Typical pua:
Does not even know what an approach invite is.

Guys that are good with women:
Are popular and charismatic EVERYWHERE they go, even in forums, chats etc... And it happens fast.

Typical pua:
Always fighting, arguing, talking shit about other people, jealous, in pissing contests and always have to have the last words.

Guys that are good with women:
Don't give a fuck of what people think of them or how they come across.

Typical pua:
It is always qualifying, trying to impress, talking about themselves, and seeking validation.

Guys that are good with women:
Do not judge women and call them sluts, whores or nice girls. They know all women are super sexual but they have to put on a front so people don't call them sluts.

Typical pua:
Label women: gf material, slut, bitch, nice girls, she is not that type of girl. Lack of understanding that all women are pretty much the same when it comes to sexuality but will act different depending on the dude.

Guys that are good with women:
Fuck girls they want to fuck cause the girls make him horny.

Typical pua:
It is worry about that hb 10 even if she is not his type, even if she is a bitch, does not suck dick etc.... Cause she brings validation.

Guys that are good with women:
Are always congruent and come across as players/lovers/boytoys.

Typical pua:
Goes with the wind, and is always faking,. Comes across as boyfriend material and/or provider


Guys that are good with women:

Do not do traditional dating, get into typical dating situation or spend more than $20 dollars on women (on the high end, since most of them do not really spend money on dates). Unless, he has fucked them.

Typical puas

Do traditional dinner and a movie, bowling, miniature golf etc... And think he is hot shit cause he splits the bill (which is a mistake in my opinion).


Guys that are good with women:

Knows that a so call "shit test" is just flirting and you do not really get them, unless you are in a relationship.

Typical pua:

Think everything is a shit test, and he has to have the right comeback sentence.


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Great post

Goodlooking Loser is legit, you can tell the guy speaks purely from experience and unlike a lot of these Manosphere bloggers or PUA blogs I know for a fact what he is telling me comes from experience. Chris is one of the very few people I have a lot of respect for because he just comes off as a guy who has actually done over 1,000 approaches on his videos and his blogs.

Now as for the post alone, I have seen myself transition. Back in 2011 I was the guy who was reading books like The Game and it wasn't for me. I feel like parts of PUA such as working on inner game have been helpful to making me a better guy overall but the whole game theory and types of escalation have just not been for me. I suck at pickup lines.

Most of the times I just randomly say whatever is on my mind and just do it. I also feel like when I am going out with the intention of having fun as opposed to getting laid I am having a lot more success in getting laid (funny how that works). Majority of my lays have not come from my "game" unfortunately, I just feel like they have come because of how I was dressed, how I smelled, being in the right place at the right time, and most of the times the girl liked me in the first place.

I have never understood how guys can use memorized pickup lines to get girls, it just adds more pressure to the situation of approaching a girl.

Though I do have a massive habit of seeking validation so I am in neither category yet.

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Great post. I wont be surprised if a lot of "typical puas" try to argue with it though.

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To become ACTUALLY good with women, it's all about experience, and how your personality is.

For me, I still have big holes in my game. From the list that I'm reading, most of the Typical PUA stuff applies to me. But what I've seen is that (in these 15 months of experience ) you slowly transition. At first I read every book I could but that's nonsense. Yes, some books were necessary to change my mindset, and have greatly benefit me in my game.

Though, I'm just highly convinced that to become ACTUALLY good with women, it's all just about going out, pursuing yourself and pushing compliance with women. Some can learn it fast, and some need more time (e.g. Me). If you want to be as good as the greatest seducers in the world, read these points skills has put down, and think how of ways how you can manage to think like an actual seducer. Then try them out!

Wallie

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see were you went with it skills good post.

I think it would have been better if you had it made more of a chart afterwards

Good post Skills... Your points seem actuate but maybe a bit polarized. The Typical PUA sounds like a novice. The main problem is that men stall in their growth.

I think there need to be some type of colored belt system for seduction... most men will give up at yellow belt because success or hard work scares them.

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"Every woman's a whore in the right situation"
"They're all selling it for something"
"She's sluttier than you think she is"

You got the first point correct in me. The first time I used PUA tactics in my life I invested in a girl way too much. Yes, I derived sexual benefits from her, but she managed to push me away in the end.

Before using PUA strategies, I used to be the fun guy who always ordered 5 shots in a row, partied, danced, dirty danced and mostly importantly hooked up.

From the moment I started reading PUA stuff, I started over analyzing every single detail and that made me forget about the fun I should be having.

I can't deny, some readings like The Game and Mystery Method (currently reading Revelation) helped my game out. I learned a lot of new stuff that I couldn't have learned elsewhere. But when you are on the spot, all what matters is you. You can never memorize scripts and follow a pattern. You just have to use your personality and well...be yourself if you know what I mean.

Next time I am going pubbing/clubbing, I won't think about anything. I'm just going to be that guy going out with his group and acting crazy as always, it has always worked for me.

Good idea feel free to do it and post here, i suck at stuff like that...

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Typical pua is not a novice... A novice is a typical afc in community lingo. They try belt system and rankings in other forums, it is a horrible idea cause a high rink blind mam leading a low rank blind man. Have been tried, and it does not work. Most mental masturbators have high rank for your info.

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Haha, they actually tried that? I was kidding... Mental masturbation for sure.

I actually just meant that there are men at all sorts of levels and that most men wont push hard to get good.

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My personal mantra:

"Every woman's a whore in the right situation"
"They're all selling it for something"
"She's sluttier than you think she is"

I've noticed a massive change from when I started and joined up on the forums a year ago to now.

When I started there seemed to be much more PUAs than AFCs. You were more likely to see a post on how down a guy was that all he was doing was fucking women who had boyfriends, husbands, etc. than people posting on the forums asking about how to make a specific girl like him or "love" him. This is all in the last year since coming back that i've noticed all the needy AFC posts all over the place. Maybe it's the time I check the forums but it seems to be 70+% of people looking for LTR help than being PUAs or even learning the field. Is it just me who has noticed this?

Good post but the whole "typical PUA" thing seems to be the mindset of your average forum member that signed up in the last year or so. Things were different a year back from what I remember.

Wasting a lot of time selling women, even those that go into creating "attractive" and always try to come up with the right words, methods, actions or routine use of a special girl, in order to achieve his goals.---right

very well said my friend

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