I need a full structured layout of a successful pick-up... theres one in neils book but not good enough.. ideas?

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Let me ask you a question? Why do you want a complete layout of a successful pickup? The Venusian Arts Handbook and or the Mystery Method outllines what is needed from Attraction to Seduction. Because if it's a real life example that you seek then the best ones are the ones that you do. Hardly ever are any two pickups identical. Why because women although very similar on some aspects are different. Some will shit test you more, some hardly at all. Some you need to neg 4 times some, once or twice.

Knowing what it takes as you may very well know is called "Calibration." There is a whole section of Field Reports of Successful pickups. Although you can read all you want about the interactions you will learn more from doing. Don't be overly concerned with learning it all first. Learn what you need to do an approach and do it. Learn from what happened. Then calibrate to what you learned. Then learn the next step, and go out do it, calibrate, and learn more.

This isn't like a final exam or quiz for your life. Studying more helps understand. Going in the field with pardon the pun "hands on" experience is more useful. I'm a guy that likes to know it all first, but I know guys that have a lot of Game knowledge here but no real experience.

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wtf? i didnt ask for a lesson i asked for a simple layout. its something i want to read over everyday.. something tangable.. and be glad i'm giving an answer. for example for those of you like jsmooth over here: open-DHV-DHV-engage target-Neg-routine for group or set-take attention from target... etc. somethign like that... Ive read MM and all the reading material.. ive read too much now i need to tweak.. damn.. whats with people? why cant some people be straight shooters...



and why do i get the feeling all the mods always talk down to people because they ask AFC questions? I've got enough game to call myself a PUA and enough MLTRs to keep my days new.. damn

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Alright Nanoelite007 forgive me for trying to give a damn and help people. Obviously you'd rather insult them. If that is the level of your character then so be it. I wasn't trying to talk down to you. I wasn't trying to embarrass you or give you a "non-straight" answer. You asked for an outline of pickup from start to finish hence my example of the Venusian Arts Handbook or some of the Field Reports.

When I respond to these posts I have no idea of your level of knowledge or the level of knowledge of those reading the posts. All I know is you've done about 14 posts. I have posted several things and had members to PM me asking what is "DHV?" So I over explain sometimes to make sure I am clear.

I really hate that you feel the members of this forum including the moderators are belittling new members for asking AFC type of questions. I know many of the moderators personally and they are passionate as I am for giving back to the community that helped them.

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Excuse me. You're new to the forum, and already you're degrading those of us that are here to help. Not a good start. As jsmooth said, it's nearly impossible to give you what you're asking.

Now, you want a FULL detailed layout of a pickup . . . but WHY??? According to yourself . . . So, I return the question to YOU . . . WTF? What are you getting at? You want to talk in a condescending way to US, yet you blame US for talking that way to you? FUCK THAT. If you've got that kind of game and MLTR's and all that, there is no damn reason you should be faulting us for not dropping everything and bending to your wishes. Because obviously you don't need what you are demanding from us.

No, us mods do not talk down to people. We point things out to people, and most are thankful that we do that. If you're not thankful for that, obviously that's YOUR issue, not ours.

You want a straight shooter? That's exactly how I am. However, I have a feeling you won't like my response here either, which means you can't handle what you're asking for.

You need to tweak? That's called calibration and that's what field experience is for. Not sitting around reading a second by second play by play of a damn pickup that SOMEONE ELSE did.

You want to break down pickups? Fine. Search YouTube and buy videos that have guys like Mystery demonstrating their pickups.

Wow.. i like this guy already... LA... id have to say.. straight shooter for sure.. k considering my bad first impression lets start over..

i aint looking to be a copy cat or a robot.. im looking to master a new method.. my method.. so heres my frustration.. i cant get the answers i look for because people have differant game.. my apologies for getting frustrated but damn the days are too short to be bitchin at our fellow breatheren. but people argue because of a lack of understanding.. so let me reask my question with a little more respect...
What is the MM and Juggler game layout for a pick-up? i want to use them has a fountation to create my own pre-programed style..

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Apology and respect accepted and appreciated.

If you've read the Handbook, then you know the layout for a pickup MM style already. Hell, that's what I use for MY foundation and what I teach all of my students too. Yes, I have my own personality and therefore my own style, but that's the foundation. As for Juggler, have you read his stuff?

juggler's method is just artful words with frame control. his is a generic style that works for everyone with wits and vocabulary. now when you mention handbook, are you refering to the forum handbook or something else?

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The Handbook I am pretty sure LA is referring to is the Venusian Arts Handbook. If you don't already have a copy you can find it on Limwire or Bit Torrent. Basically, it just goes over the M3 Model by Mystery outlining the Attraction, Comfort, and Seduction phases.

Juggler's Method sounds pretty interesting I'll have to look for more information on that.

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