So i have 2 differnt girls round mine 2 nights running, one HB5 and one HB9... both i didnt fclose... HB5 i kcloses and HB9 (tonight) went out, had dinner, came back to mine and watched wedding crashers, not much kino but lil bits here and there with nothing more...

whats the best way to further escalation in any sence to finally get to fclose?

Definitely increase the kino. Also, while talking, start changing the general frame (which you should be controlling anyway) to a sexual frame. Have sexual innuendos, connotations, etc.

any routine suggestion?

No, a routine isn't gonna help you at this point. As we like to say . . . it's time to pull the trigger.

Just work on the kino and sexual framing. Mainly, the kino should be natural, and increasing too. The sexual framing should also be natural, but more calibration may be needed with it, considering some women handle it better than others. Always push the envelope though. You have to find out where her boundaries are. If you cross the line, apologize . . . ONCE. Step back and don't cross that line again. Until she's ready for you too.

i see, what would you personally do? The ross jeffries achoring thing? or escalating from the mystery "do u want to kiss me"?

Personally, I love Mystery's gambits. They have tons of solid psychology behind them. So, yeah, I have used his gambits before, and they work really well. You could definitely go with that. But you do need to have a bit of kino to build to that. You need to be physically close to her, obviously, and have a bit of tension built up, so that you both KNOW that the kiss is coming. BUT, when that crossroads is staring you in the face . . . PULL THE TRIGGER. DON'T back down, whatever you do, whatever else might get fucked up, DON'T back down. Trust me. Not only will she respect you for having the balls to pull the trigger, but just that fact, and act, alone, will AMP UP the attraction she's already feeling. So, touch her a bit, even if it's just holding her hand, brushing her arm, doing little things like that, and move your bodies, NATURALLY into a position where you're faces are close . . . and you can take it from there man.

You can do it. I know you can. When you're ready for the kiss, but not quite sure if you can push yourself over the edge, that's when you use his gambit . . . "you're driving me crazy right now" . . . she says "why?" . . . you say "cause I want to kiss you so bad", most likely she will say either "why don't you" or "then do it". BAM. Close it.

now thats what im talking about! Generally i am quite confident i would pull the trigger, i just need to know how to grab the gun i think... any suggestion on reading, or videos to learn some other gambits?

My top suggestions on learning other gambits are to read The Venusian Arts Handbook, which will give you some ideas plus the basic understanding of the underlying social dynamics which will REALLY help so that you can even brainstorm other things that will work too, and ANY video that has Mystery teaching. He gives a few gambits while he's teaching. Those are great to learn. Also, The Game has a couple of gambits that would be of interest to you.

nice one, really appricated... btw the audio good the same as the handbook (the venuishian arts)?

That depends. If you're the type of person that benefits from charts to see a visual example, definitely go with the book version. If you can visualize things w/o that, the audio will probably work for you.

Good thread guys. I personally love Mystery's "would you like to kiss me?", whatever happens - you come out on top.

Another one I like is 'close your eyes' and then go for the kiss. Seriously though, as you are just learning, try stuff out. Experiment. If you're wondering if you should or shouldn't make a move, the answer is: you should. It's better to try and fail than to wonder 'what if'. That is my approach, and already the stuff I do with girls I would've thought are way out of my league six months ago is still mindblowing to me.

There's one thing I learned over christmas, and I use it on every single set where I reach the hook point is take the girl by the hand somewhere. If you're walking to your flat together - take her by the hand and lead her up the stairs (or to the lift). I cannot possibly stress how amazing that one thing is. And they'll squeeze your hand back (IOI), you'll relax it and they'll still be holding on with their fingertips (IOI). I'm still trying to get used to the idea that those girls actually want to do those things with me. Then, once you're in the flat - evolution phase shift, or go straight for the kiss. Doesn't matter which way around you do it. Evolution is an amazing way to get her aroused as well - just take it from there. One of my sticking points is LMR, so I cannot help you should that happen. Any suggestions, Tripp?

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Again, Mystery's gambits for LMR are excellent.

To prevent LMR, if you build TONS of attraction prior to the seduction, to where she is HAVING to have you, that obviously helps, and if you have also built the comfort level to the point of her bringing down her shield completely for you, and you DON'T fuck that up, lol, and cause her to put her shield back up, then there shouldn't be a problem.

LOL, in my case, I've given the girl LMR, instead of her giving it to me. That throws them off balance too. It's funny actually.

She took me out back of the club, after it closed, to her car, started kissing on me, kept kissing on me, told me she wanted us to go back to her place, then I backed off and gave excuses such as "I have responsibilities. I have to get home and sleep to take care of those responsibilities. Another night babe." She moaned as in 'please don't say that'. I told her I needed to go, to which she grabbed my hand and pulled me back to kiss more. I directed attention away from us to watch other people leaving, throwing up, and just generally being shit faced drunk and hilarious. Overall, she kept pushing me to go with her to her place, and I'm the one that kept up the LMR. The more I did that, the more she pushed. It was so funny. And yes, I did give it to her later, when I wanted to.

So, you can start dropping those hints before she does, that she has to work through YOUR LMR. And this especially works if you do already have tons of attraction and comfort built.

I like to use david deangelo's kiss test, i dont use it all the time but when i do it sets me for the kiss pefectly.

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is this the hair stroking technique?

do share... or at least tell me what page it is on as i must have over looked it when reading double your dating